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#1 Joe Lalumia

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 09:00 PM

I have completed the first draft of the lighting code presentation. A link to the presentation is listed below.

As we discussed before---- I would like CN members to review this document and post their revision suggestions-- pictures, and other comments. Once I have a completed presentation I will upload it to the CN moderators so that other members can use it.

So ----- here is the first draft for YOUR review, comments, and assistance.

I also have a "model" lighting code as a separate document to give to the council members.

www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc

Thanks---- Joe :bow:

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 09:34 PM

And here is the "Model" Lighting Code:
www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 09:43 PM

PM'd you.

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 09:54 PM

Hey Joe - Well done! The dollars and cents combined with the excellent visual examples will make a strong impact.

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 10:02 PM

Jeff--- had some suggestions to include CO2 reduction in the presentation...... I just don't know how that would be received in conservative Rockwall, Texas??? any ideas on this??
Joe

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 01:01 AM

Nice job! Good luck!

IMHO, I would leave out the CO2 stuff and stick to the tangible and fiscal benefits.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 10:32 AM

mazzefr------ thank you; yes I will not discuss CO2.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:40 PM

For those of you who can still find this thread, I downloaded and read Joe's document last night. I decided to help out with an Excel spreadsheet and as with many things, I got carried away.

Anyway, I created an XLS with three charts. All of them have 'before' and 'after' costs/expenses with your data values. You can read about and download the spreadsheet here.

Suggestions and feedback are, of course, welcome.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:57 PM

You found it! Very nice spreadsheets ------ I will include them in my presentation------ thank you! :)

Appreciate your help,
Joe

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 04:01 PM

You found it! Very nice spreadsheets ------ I will include them in my presentation------ thank you! :)

Appreciate your help,
Joe

You're quite welcome, Joe. Glad to contribute. Anyway, it gave me something to do while I wait for my 12".

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 05:29 PM

Joe - Just updated the xls, fixed an error, extended yrs to 12.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 05:44 PM

OK I will download the new one-------
Joe :bow:

PS--- think the presentation is very close to completion--- just a little "prettying up"---- and printing. It is three handouts---- and a CD with your spreadsheet-----
1. Presentation
2. "Model" lighting code
3. Your spreadsheet with cost projection what ifs--

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 05:58 PM

You know, I was going to post this in the "Street Lights Legally" forum, but THAT seems to have disappeared. That, and relegating you to Bobo's table, are starting to make me think Cloudy Nights is in favor of light pollution.

Anyway, do some checking on the values. I think I got 'em all ok now. Let us all know how the presentation goes (if you can find your way back here).

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 06:30 PM

Dark sky association has a LOT of useful information. :)

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 08:47 PM

Neo---- yes they have lots of information- but not ONE canned presentation for a town council or city council.

Therefore----- I made one and if it works I will upload it to CN so other members can use it-------- maybe get the moderators to put a sticky tack on it?
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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:52 PM

Jeff--- had some suggestions to include CO2 reduction in the presentation...... I just don't know how that would be received in conservative Rockwall, Texas??? any ideas on this??
Joe


Finally found the thread! I agree with you and Franco, leave out the CO2 stuff. Keep the focus on the $ and keep their attention.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:57 PM

For those of you who can still find this thread, I download and read Joe's document last night. I decided to help out with an Excel spreadsheet and as with many things, I got carried away.

Anyway, I create an XLS with three charts. All of them have 'before' and 'after' costs/expenses with your data values. You can read about and download the spreadsheet here.

Suggestions and feedback are, of course, welcome.


That's a nice spreadsheet. It does a great job of highlighting the accumulated savings over time. :bow:

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 09:43 AM

Joe - when appropriate...

1. Let us know when the presentation's going to be.
2. Consider trying to get this thread moved to (or open a new one in) the "General Observing" forum. That seems to be where most LP stuff is winding up.
3. If you need a website to make your presentation publicly available, I've got space. In any case, I'd like to link to it.

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 05:58 PM

Thombstone you got it-------- the presentation and the "model" ordinance are already posted on my server----- you are welcome to copy it and use it or link to the documents-------- to your other question----

HELLO GREEN AND RED GUYS CAN THIS THREAD BE MOVED TO "General Observing" section of CN???? I feel like Tom Hanks on Castaway! ------- down here with all the Area 51 and alien abduction postings! Ha. :) :bawling:

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 08:33 PM

Joe,

That presentation document is great. :) :bow:

Well done. :waytogo:

I like the examples of shielded and unshielded fixtures. The photos showing the effects of glare by bright unshielded lamps on streets and intersections is a nice touch. And the photo of the house all lit up by light trespass and having to erect heavy blinds in the house to block it - that perfectly illustrates "light trespass" in a way that non-astronomers can understand. Nice touch.

Unless any other moderators or admins have a problem with it, I am going to pin this to the top of this forum. It deserves to be seen/read/downloaded.

Again, outstanding job to everyone involved here. :bow:

Regards and clear dark skies,

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 08:45 PM

:waytogo:

Another mod agrees.

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 09:55 PM

Mike and Randy----- thanks much for posting this thread--- as I told the moderators when the Presentation is finished I will post up everything for CN member's use ------- in presenting to their own City Councils--- or Town Councils.

I am "prettying" up the Presentation-- and altering a few words in the "model" lighting code.
Joe

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 10:01 PM

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Posted 30 December 2007 - 01:01 PM

Here are the KEY LINKS consolidated into one posting--

http://www.wingsover..._light_code.doc
Presentation

http://www.wingsover..._code_model.txt
Model Code

http://www.tombstone...htsky/lpcharts/
Excel Spreadsheet- cost savings "what if"

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Posted 31 December 2007 - 04:33 PM

Just to keep everyone updated, I received this email from Michael the Planning and Zoning manager of Rockwall, Texas---

Here is Michaels email---

"Joe, as requested I am copying this reply to Mr. Bricker (with your attachments), and would invite him to make any comments to you as he deems necessary. But it sounds like you are taking a good approach by addressing the Council on this at one of their future meetings. When the Council schedules it on their agenda, staff will have had an opportunity to review your recommendations and should be prepared to discuss how they compare with our current lighting regulations. "



Thanks for taking an interest and for providing several ideas on the issue.



Have a happy new year!



Michael Hampton, AICP

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City of Rockwall







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