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#51 jeff1100CPC

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 07:17 PM

Joe My name is Jeff Lamson. I am the head of the Electrical Dept. In a small town in S.W Louisiana. I read you Lighting code presentation, I met with the Mayor and town council in regaurds to our street lighting. I got the go a head to replace our street lightheads with Full cutoff's.
Made the first order today. Just wanted you to know. Jeff :jump:

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Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:51 PM

Outstanding! Congratulations to you Jeff, & Joe! :bow: :bow: :bow:

Jeff, Welcome to Cloudy Nights! It's an honor to have you join us on these forums, especially this one!

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Posted 01 May 2009 - 08:32 AM

Way to go--------- you know my family is from Ticfaw, LA-- just outside of Independence, LA-- HA! :)

Still have relatives living there.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 07:29 AM

Macro----- absolutely!!! you can use anything posted here ... and you may freely COPY IT, and-or ALTER IT,and use it any way you wish! All documents and spreadsheets are in the "Public Domain" ---- and both myself and Morg have given permission within this posting.


I still stand beside my "What we really need" post, in that, having worked in sales, getting the time to give a presentation like this to anyone in a position to do anything about it (and get them to pay attention) is hard enough when it's something they're already asking for. It's a good presentation, but you need to have them interested enough to not tune it out.
For that, the most attention-grabbing, thought provoking (from the bottom-line standpoint of cost vs return on investment) should be distilled down into a handout no larger than a trifold brochure with a few pretty pictures and a chart or two.
We tried to get one or two of these (different versions, each with a slightly different approach)into each potential client's hands well before the presentation to guide their questions in a useful direction and preempt certain concerns. By letting the brochures "rope them in," so to speak, we had them wanting to hear, and to participate in the presentation to fill out the information they had already received.

Unfortunately, I'm way behind the times on developing these things, but surely someone here took some graphic design and marketing classes, and could base something off of the existing material.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:56 PM

The link to the Excel spreadsheets have changed to:

http://www.tombstone...reet/index.html

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 06:12 PM

Still can't get the excel sheets.
Have an interesting situation here in Lee County, FL.
They have budgeted and turned off some street lights, but the impact was not realized and now there is an outcry to turn them back on. Considering hitting the County Commissioners with some IDA stuff and links, especially as the are going to be working on more long term plans too. Some of them are very environmental minded. I think they need a little info before they turn back on these glare bombs. I know one of the area's they are heavy on getting back on, used to have an observatory off Daniel's in the late 70's/early 80's with 6.5+ skies, now it is in the heart of the light pollution.

http://www.naplesnew...t-lee-county-b/
http://www.allbusine...13152518-1.html

http://www.nbc-2.com....asp?S=11269824

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 07:42 PM

OK- here are several ready made brochures etc etc from IDA that make good hand-outs.

http://www.darksky.o...0127&orgId=idsa

for Stephenville TX ------ hey don't you folks have an alien buried in the cemetery! :)


ALSO-- I emailed "Morg" about the broken spreadsheet links.

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 07:50 PM

For the time being-- you can download these two files from my server--

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.doc

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.xls

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 09:18 PM

Thanks Joe, just the things I was looking for.
Something I can point them to without worrying about email filters!
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Posted 31 October 2009 - 05:53 PM

Morg has reposted the Excel Spreadsheets here:

http://www.tombstone...reet/index.html

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 11:28 AM

For this longer document, can you include sources for your facts? For example, you toss around 45% and 50% and 75% rather liberally. Also, there are solid studies out there that challenge the "more light is better" notion for crime (the Chicago alleys study comes to mind). If I'm to present this to a serious audience, it needs more credence than being the opinion of Joe.

KD5NRH made an excellent recommendation in this thread of having a summary flyer or handout, either with this presentation or as a stand-alone product.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 11:52 AM

Welcome to CN, especially our forum here!

Also, there are solid studies out there that challenge the "more light is better" notion for crime (the Chicago alleys study comes to mind).



We would be more than pleased if you care to post these studies for all to have access to.

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 09:32 AM

The presentation is posted "in the public domain" so that YOU can download it and alter it as you see fit.

I really don't appreciate your comment "in Joe's Opinion". Morg and myself worked on this because nothing at all was available on the internet that could be used as a starting point for a presentation. SO------- get to work altering it and then repost your "improved" copy here.

PS- we already posted the link to the IDA brochures which you can download and print out -- see the previous link. These are tri-fold brochures on light pollution. Here is the link again:
http://www.darksky.o...0127&orgId=idsa

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 09:47 AM

As for some links-

Here are a few easily located in about 30 seconds of work using Google-

http://www.illinoislighting.org/

http://www.selene-ny.org/

http://www.darksky.o...itePageId=58880

http://www.starrynig...ution_news.html

http://www.polcouncil.org/

http://articles.dire...on-a941963.html

http://www.maltastro.../guidelines.htm

http://www.econpower...gy_savings.html

http://www.tovinder....htPollution.ppt

http://www.newtonma....7/lightson.html a good one

http://www.cityofirv...ting_basics.asp and another good one

http://home.cogeco.c...nia Savings.htm and actual savings in costs

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 10:49 AM

Joe, just to clarify, you were replying to Nightwise, rather than me, wern't you?

Joe, you know we really appreciate the extensive work you (& Morg) did, in order to have something that others could use in a presentation! :bow: Your geneosity in sharing all your work with the CN members has helped many!

Thank you!

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 11:13 AM

Carol-- not to you. Sorry for that...... and thank you. Hopefully when the IDA and Illuminating Engineers final light pollution CODE is released we can post the link here.

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 12:34 PM

Your endless work to better the night skies for all, is greatly appreciated, Joe!

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 09:58 PM

Here is Morg's Excel spreadsheet link to calculate lighting cost savings:

Just FYI-- he moved them on his web web site.
http://www.tombstone...each/lp/street/

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 08:33 PM

It's been about two (2) years, since anyone addressed this thread, so I don't know how things have progressed, since then ......

But, independently, I've come up with the idea of using shielded lighting ALONG WITH motion-detectors, so the SHIELDED LIGHTS will only come on when prompted by the motion detector !! Doubly efficient !!

Common sense tells me that these won't work in all applications, but I'm SURE they can be used in MANY applications !! I'm also sure that, as with many things, as we put them to practical use, we will "Fine tune" or "tweak" design so they are even MORE efficient, and have even GREATER application toward being used EVERYWHERE !!

My most prominent idea for use would be as common streetlights. Most streetlights are on one side of the road or another (some are in the middle of the road). The motion-detector on streetlights on EACH side of the road can be aimed UP the road toward approaching cars, so the light would come on BEFORE the car got there, and illuminate vision for the driver !! Of course, after the car moved on, the light would go out. WHAT A SAVINGS IN ELECTRICITY THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH !!!

Of course, the lights would have to be kept in a "ready" state, to come on quickly, to make this practical (sort of like a pilot light, on a stove).

Any ideas, from anyone ?

Thanks,

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Posted 26 December 2009 - 09:18 AM

Vegas-- the Germans are way ahead of us on your idea- read this:
http://blogs.discove...treetlight.html

I agree motion sensor shielded LED lights would save bunches of money. Probably would not work in central city-- but WOULD WORK in the suburbs and smaller towns.


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Posted 26 December 2009 - 11:34 AM

I have moved all of the light pollution documents and spreadsheet to ONE server. Please refer to these links to download all LP documents. These are all placed in the public domain by myself, and Morg, and may be copied, distributed, and altered as you may determine; to fit your local situation.

Don't forget that the International Dark Sky Association has other information sheets and hand-outs located on their web site: http://www.darksky.o...itePageId=58823

The CN light pollution document links are listed below:

www.wingsoverusa.com/CN_light_code.doc

www.wingsoverusa.com/lighting_code_model.txt

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.xls

www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.doc
www.wingsoverusa.com/lpcharts.pdf

Please refer to the links above for the original presentation, model code, and Excel Spreadsheets to estimate energy cost savings. The last two links document the Excel Spreadsheets and are in two formats: as a PDF, and as a WORD document.

Also the IDA and the Illuminating Engineers will probably be releasing their LP suggested property CODE this next year(2010). This will give you another resource for local presentations on lighting code revision.

Clear Skies! Joe & Morg :bow:

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:51 PM

Joe
You put together a great presentation and arguement. I have worked in the Sign/Lighting industry for years and have always pushed the benefits of energy savings to offset any fixture cost.
I have a problem with light pollution in my small town in Michigan and would like to be able to use your documentation if that's ok.
Great job!!

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 10:11 AM

Guess I need to post this every few months-- the presentation and the Excel spreadsheets are in the public domain. Both myself and Morg have given permission. You may alter the presentation or change anything, and may freely copy and distribute. CHANGE anything to make it fit your local town council, or local situation.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:02 PM

New LINKS to the light pollution public domain documents. I have moved these to Dropbox-- here are the direct links:

http://dl.dropbox.co...resentation.doc

http://dl.dropbox.co..._code_model.txt

http://dl.dropbox.co...45/lpcharts.doc

http://dl.dropbox.co...45/lpcharts.xls

Hope this helps you and clear skies to everyone.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:50 AM

Joe; ty....Ive been searching for a package I could show to my city council. Sadly the rest links througout the rest of this thread are apparently dead.
Accept the last four ,so Im saving them to my puter immediately, lol :grin:






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