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#1 highfnum

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 02:09 PM

I kinda skip from eyepiece to CCD and II's

1) Why is film still being used - what are advantages at this time?
2) Does anyone in this forum still use Schmidt camera's
3) Is it going to become totaly impossible in a few years get film developed?

I have poked around in this forum and some of you guys have taken great shots

#2 tommyhawk13

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 02:34 PM

1) I can use the camera I already have, and not run up a credit card, or sell off everything I own to buy a decent laptop and ccd rig. I'm kind of stubborn about old technology anyway, it's simple. My guitar amplifiers run on vacuum tubes, and the car I love to tinker on has a carburetor, if that sheds any light.

2) Not that I've seen, but I see them on the net a couple of times.

3) I doubt it. There are mail order services, diy systems available to process color film at home, and there are plenty of film users worldwide.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:13 PM

What Tommy said.

Lenses can, and will, outperform telescopes - of a given aperture. But the real thing is what Tommy said about our character. Film suits our nature. We need nothing more, and will develop our own when the time comes.

Did someone mention something about our character?
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 05:32 PM

I shoot film because I like it, plain and simple. The creativity I do with film is between me, the lens, and the emulsion. The camera houses the film and focus the light of my selected lens. I try to use post processing very conservatively. For me, more manipulation equals less credibility and authenticity. But that is just me. I admire many things digital can do. I am a big fan of the medium. In time I will try my hand at it, but for now, I like film.

Processing? There are lots of places processing film, but probably not in small town America. I have a local Walgreens that just opened up and they put in film processing equipment. I can take all my C-41 35MM to them and they do a fantastic job.

For E-6, I send to a custom Lab out of state and they cater to professional artists. I asked them how things were going and they noted a decline, but also that they have a steady flow from many folks who are staying the course, and thriving!

Film will be around for a long time. Movies will be made on film for at least another 10 years because digital can't yet cut it on the big screen. Someday perhaps.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 06:03 PM

Yes, I am technologically challenged. But that is not why I shoot film (that's my story and I'm sticking to it). Film just suits me. There is a beautiful simplicity to it. One of the biggest kicks I get out of the hobby is just looking up naked eye at the Milky Way. I also love to take astrophotos. The wide field shots that I can take with my humble equipment comes pretty close to that vision of the sky. I don't need to lug a computer around and I don't need any focusing programs or the like. I even enjoy manually guiding the telescope for up to 40 minutes at a time (really). When I finish the shot I feel like I've accomplished something and the results are good enough for me. There is no denying the quality of a good digital astrophoto and my hat is off to all of the great CN digital imagers. They do amazing stuff and that medium obviously dominates the hobby. At TSP or Okie-Tex I am probably the only imager there still shooting film. But all of us filmsters are probably cut from the same cloth in terms of why we choose to continue to shoot film. It suits us and the results are good enough for what we want to accomplish. Just like anything else, you have to figure out what you want from the hobby and determine which type of imaging will give you what you want for the effort that it will take.

To all of you still shooting film, please keep sharing your images!

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 06:12 PM

Gary,

I would call you being the only film shooter at the TSP and Okie-Tex a distinction!

As with all photography, it comes down to your personal aesthetics. Plus, we can't get cought up in upgrading every two years. A new "sensor" is just a roll away.......

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 06:18 PM

Oh yea, film has no color noise, I hate dslr color noise............

I can't believe it when I see it on the pages of those astronomy magazines. Oh yea, this is better?

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 07:22 PM

Jim,

You make an excellent point. Once you begin chasing the technology it's hard to stop.

Gary Nielsen
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:31 PM

Just a few reasons I like film.

Best viewed on 1280x1024 monitor in a dimly lit room.

http://www.flickr.co...943442650/show/

Click on the "Full Screen" icon on lower right for best viewing.

Most of these I have taken within the last 9 months on E200 and Provia 100F film.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:48 PM

Those were SO wonderful.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:32 AM

good point about noise

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:35 AM

does anyone still use cold camera

I notice some people srill hyper film

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:41 AM

One thing about film is the time. While I am testing DSLR imaging it takes way too long. I took hours of pictures and had to do hours of processing time just to do what film does in 15 minutes.

Orion 15 minutes using Fuji film. ST120 PF, ST80 w/SSAG.
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10 minutes with same setup. Both taken in March.
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This one of K5 McNaught was stacked using DSLR and a lot of time processing.
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Hardly no color either. I had wished I had taken film that night.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:43 AM

does anyone still use cold camera

I notice some people srill hyper film


Film hypering is still a viable option. I have not seen the cold camera in use for a few decades, except when I'm out in January and February in below zero F conditions! :lol:

#15 Nightfly

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 11:45 AM

William, Thanks for posting your results. Film and digital are two great ways to image. What you get out of it is what you put into it. I have a good work flow with film so I continue with that.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:35 PM

I was a film holdout for a long time. I had 2 Olympus OM-1
bodies, assorted lenses, dedicated flash, multiple
focusing screens. I had a complete B&W darkroom setup,
and had processed color slides using Unicolor rapid E-6.
I tried doing my own color prints, and while the results
were successful it was too time-consuming and not cost
effective.

2 years ago I bought a Canon S5. I guess I will be the
contrarian here, but I underwent a complete change of
viewpoint after using digital for 2 years. I will most
likely never shoot another roll of film.

I sold off most of the film equipment that I could still
get reasonable money for, I still have 1 OM-1 body and
the 50mm lens. Haven't used it for several years, the
light seals are falling out & turning to goo.

As for the darkroom equipment, you can hardly give the
stuff away, so I dumped it along with the paper & chemicals.
I will not miss darkroom work. Spending countless hours
breathing stop-bath & fixer fumes (yes I had a ventilation
fan in the darkroom) probably contributed to the chronic
migraine headaches I get now. I'll take PhotoShop anyday.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 12:38 PM

I still have the darkroom stuff but don't use it any more.
I just ask for a CD when I get the film developed and process images from that.

I have other pictures I posted as well. The thread 3666808 I think had the new B&W Kodak film.

William

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 07:23 AM

Got to take my old Minolta XD5 out of retirement one day.

I still have my hypering kit, maybe I should refill the forming gas cylinder too.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:00 PM

Go and do it. Why the heck not? We would love to see others getting back into the "real" thing. It's encouraging to me to try as well, although I don't have the equipment.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 06:18 AM

Highfnum mentioned cold camera at the beginning of this post. Check this out. Own a piece of history.

I don't think I would like working with dry ice and small chips of film however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item1c103efa29

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 07:16 AM

interesting timing
are modern films same as 20-30 years ago?

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 08:54 AM

I believe the HP5 is the same. Tri-X, probably the same. T-Max 100 is the same, but TMAX 400 has been reformulated (TMY-2), for the better. It may be a good candidate for hypering.

#23 highfnum

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:00 PM

do any of u guys take multiple images then scan and stack?

#24 Nightfly

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:10 AM

I sometimes make mosaics with multiple frames. These can be done in PS, but I find Autostitch is much easier.

Here is three frames with a 300mm f/4@ f/5.6

http://www.nightfly....iles/custom.css

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

I still have 1 OM-1 body and
the 50mm lens. Haven't used it for several years, the
light seals are falling out & turning to goo.


It's been a little while and you may not have that camera any longer, but I found a great source for light seal kits here: http://camerasealkit.com/om1.html

Seperately, there's a good OM-1 information site here: http://olympus.demen.../M-1/index.html Even has some maintenance information if you need to clean out the goo.






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