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AP 130 vs TEC 140 vs TOA130

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#1 HCR32

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:32 PM

Dont know what to do. Buy second hand ap130 gt or buy a tec 140 brand new or band new TOA130.

I have a meade rcx400 10inch that I use but Im just wondering if any of the above listed refractors are good enough visually to make me retire my meade rcx400. On occasions I do image as well (planetary).

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Posted 27 August 2010 - 10:39 PM

If I was strictly visual and my choice was between these two awesome scopes, I would go with the new TEC 140. I think the TEC 140 is just more suited for visual, plus the exrta 10mm don't hurt. I have spent a night with a TEC, but never looked through an AP130. Just my opinion and nothing else.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 12:13 AM

You will never regret a TEC140 at the price. (Or an AP130 bought new at AP's prices.)

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 07:53 AM

The RCX should beat any of these scopes on most targets. However, If I had to choose from your list of refractors, I'd get the 140.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:30 AM

would have to go with apo-ture and take the TEC.

Or try to find a used FS152 or older 6-inch AP.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:56 AM

In theory, you should find more satisfaction with your rcx400, but if you've got the refractor itch, with a hankerin' for an occasional taste of AP, all those scopes fit the bill. Find the best deal, with the quickest turn around, factor in Tak's green color :p, and don't look back.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 04:05 PM

I have communicated AT LENGTH with MANY owners of each of the aforementioned apo refractors, and NOT ONE was dissatisfied with his purchase. Many owners of the TOA scopes asserted that their scope was THE BEST 130mm in the world, so that says a lot about the quality of Takahashi. Owners of the AP's and TEC's sometimes made the identical claim.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 07:13 PM

The RCX should beat any of these scopes on most targets. However, If I had to choose from your list of refractors, I'd get the 140.


This is the same answer I would give. I own a Meade 10 inch and a TEC 140. These are both nice scopes and scratch different itches. :cool:

I would be happy to own any of the three refractors on your list and am satisfied with the choice I made.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:35 PM

My opinion is the TEC140, unless you airline travel a lot
to exotic viewing locations. Then it has to be the 130GT.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:43 PM

So by the sounds of things ppl are saying pretty much keep the 10 inch & more of you are in favour of the Tec. I would have thought that the AP would have been on the top I wonder if the wait for them or second hand price is off putting. I have had ppl swear by it's performance to out do anything in it's class. Just one other scope to add to the list tmb 130ss. Where does it stand against these power houses.

#11 Benjamin B

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 03:55 AM

I think 130mm is just 130mm no mater what brand it is. There are many good opticians out there making telescopes of quality today. The AP is more of a legend, just because it take quite some time to get one, (company strategy?, probebly). Many of the other high quality brands out there are able to make good telescope without waiting 10 years or more. If you want a quality scope, then buy from Tak, TEC, TMB ect, but if you want a telescope with long wait times, then buy a AP. There are not just one brand in the world that makes high quality telescope, there are several.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:22 AM

Giving Yuri a 10mm advantage is going be next to impossible to beat. And the price and availability make it even more appealing. The Tak is very heavy for its size and would require a more substantial mount to carry it comfortably, especially for AP. While Astro-Physics has increased production to record levels, the back log is still many years. For good reason. Over all, they are the best scope made IMO.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 11:39 AM

I have always been amazed at what my TEC140 shows me, including incredible detail on Jupiter, very tight pinpoint stars, close double splits, superb contrast on deep sky, etc. I split Sirius A-B at about 250x with no big strain but requires patience and repeated attempts to get a night of better than avg seeing.

It looks extremely cool and I'd say that the build quality is right up there with Tak and AP. I do think the Taks look extremely sharp but because of the weight of their 130 + some issues with the microfocuser (from what I've read, most people like to replace with a FT upgrade for the microfocuser part) I'd say that the TEC is better in some respects, not even counting the extra 10mm of aperture. Still, all these are superb scopes if you can find one at a good price. The TEC is the best value at the new price, I think.

Good for us TEC owners is the fact that the used prices are not far from new prices although we don't get the huge appreciation in price way over and above the new cost of the scope for a used TEC scope like AP's get since so far Yuri has kept up with demand pretty well and there is not a very long wait for a new one. He works very hard, though - if he didn't work so many hours there would be a longer wait. As he gets closer to retirement age and if there is no one to continue in his place then I'd expect used prices to rise significantly.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 04:55 PM

So by the sounds of things ppl are saying pretty much keep the 10 inch & more of you are in favour of the Tec. I would have thought that the AP would have been on the top I wonder if the wait for them or second hand price is off putting. I have had ppl swear by it's performance to out do anything in it's class. Just one other scope to add to the list tmb 130ss. Where does it stand against these power houses.


Giving the TEC a 10mm advantage tilts the odds in its favor - even against the A-P 130 as far as I'm concerned. I have owned a TMB 130SS and a Tak FS-128. These were both great scopes and I enjoyed them a lot, but the view through the TEC is brighter and I enjoy it even more. :D

Best of luck with your decision,

Ron

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 09:51 PM

Indeed. But's "its class" is the 130mm class.

In the realm of pea-shooter apertures, every 10mm is precious, and constitutes a new class.

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Posted 29 August 2010 - 10:08 PM

Jim,

I'm curious - do you look anything at all like the Dos Equis man in real life? It's kind of like how we picture radio DJ's just from listening to them - after awhile one tends to picture them a certain way and then when you see a picture, you think, 'whoa - he looks wayyyy different than I thought'. :-)

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 09:51 AM

Hi.

I own a TEC 140, and I have had the opportunity to compare it side by side against two friends's TOAs. I can't tell about AP, unfortunately they are "rara avis" here.

I'm not going to enter the battlefield about which one is sharper or more contrasty, but I can tell you that the extra mms. counts on those (rare) nights when you can push a little bit the magnification. And on DSOs 10mm are 10mm. I don't know about astrophoto, which seems to be the Taka's kingdom.

If weight is an issue, be careful, as Lleege said. I always wonder why Takas are armoured.

Anyway, you are dealing with top scopes, and it will be impossible not to be satisfied.

Regards.

Carlos.

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 10:02 AM

I always wonder why Takas are armoured.


probably just for self-defense in forums like this one.

#19 Benjamin B

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:32 AM

Tak will survey us all :)

#20 DeanS

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 11:36 AM

I love the views thru my TOA-150, altough I bought it mainly for imaging. However if I was going to be strickly visual, I would highly consider the TEC140 due the weight factor alone.

Not sure about the weight of the TOA-130 but will probably still outweight the TEC140 by a lot.

I have looked thru a few TEC140's and they are a fine scope, heck at this level they are all fine scopes.

#21 LLEEGE

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 12:46 PM

Tak will survey us all :)

And when the results are in, the survey will say: TEC by a nose! :roflmao:

#22 Mike Clemens

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 06:59 PM

they do smell good new

#23 JumboFlex

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 12:46 AM

TEC 140 - 10 extra mm of top quality aperture in a manageable package.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 01:26 AM

I owned a TAK TOA-130F and a friend of mine owned a TEC 140. My TAK was heavier and more difficult to mount then the TEC and the 10mm DOES make a difference visually. Even though I consider myself to be a big fan of TAK, if this scope is for visual use, I would have to give the edge to the TEC. Consequently though we have both gotten rid of out refractors and gone for high end mid sized dobs. Oh well...

#25 LLEEGE

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:11 AM

Consequently though we have both gotten rid of out refractors and gone for high end mid sized dobs. Oh well...

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