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#1 Ad Astra

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:18 AM

Hi folks,

I've been contemplating a mount for my big refractor. My Apomax is a 133mm f/12 monster that masses at least 20kg with diagonal, focuser, tube rings, etc. and the tube is over 6-feet long with dew cap.

Roland at AP has said that the Mach-1 would NOT be suitable for this scope, and recommended an AP 900 (drool!) or an AP 1200 :lol: Waaaay beyond my budget.

I have 5K saved up for this - but with the economy, I don't see getting more saved soon and prices are a-climbing! So I've looked at the G-11 as an affordable alternative.

For 5K I can get a new G11 with all the bells and whistles, and the CFO has tenatively given her approval for the purchase. The $64,000 question is - am I missing an obvious alternative in this price class? Alternatively, am I spending 5K of hard earned cash on something that just won't do the job????

I do mostly visual work, but to be frank, I've never had this darn thing properly mounted to try that, however much I wanted to. I certainly plan to do some more of that with the new mount. I also teach astronomy, so this baby will be transported here, there and everywhere - so I definately want a folding tripod and not a pier setup.

I've considered used, but I'm not overly enthusiastic towards used equipment... I've been burned to many times! Still, if you know a little old astronomer with an AP mount thats only been to Andromeda and back a few times.... :grin:

Any help would be appreciated - I'm going to pull the trigger in the next 30 days or so (my birthday's coming up!)

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:26 AM

Not being a :troll: here but, if the AP Mach 1 won't do it for visual(although I think it can, PM me), what makes you think the G11 will? Really, it just comes down to how much of a fuss budget you are...less than a second dampening time, 2 seconds, 4...I've had 55+ pounds on the Mach, it can do it, with minor vibrations on the Eagle pier....what can you live with? Put it on a solid pier or the Meade Giant Field Tripod. Put a Hargraves strut on it, it can be done.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:27 AM

Hello Dan,
That payload and moment arm are indeed mount killers :shocked:

Cursory checks revealed this option - actually 1 of two at OPT right now..,

You get (on paper) capacity, native observing height and change back from your $5K.

RA and DEC break down into separate pieces for transport - not unlike the AP, Titan, etc..,

Alternatively (creative compromise), there's this little number on right now on Astromart - again you get change back..,

Brand new..., that payload and moment arm with the budget limitations you have, make for difficult decisions indeed. I don't envy you..,

Best of luck.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:29 AM

A used AP is more of a sure bet than most other manufacturers. They have advertised the mach 1 with an AP 155 which although larger aperture is a MUCH more manageable scope.

The Mach1 is greater in capability than the G11. You can probably use it for visual but it will probably be shakier. You won't be happy and it certainly won't do the fine scope justice.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:36 AM

Creative compromise-2

:)

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 12:04 PM

There was an AP1200 QMD on Astromart recently at that price.
I know you said you don't like used but it's HARD to do any damage to the 1200. Since youu're visual, do you really need GOTO?

Best of all, AP still provides tech support, repairs and replacement parts (if you ever need them)

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 12:13 PM

A Losmandy Titan would probably work, but to keep it within your budget possibly a used one. Looks like one sold recently on AM for ~$4k.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 01:37 PM

Hi Guys!

Thanks Skybsd! I talked to Chris at OPT and he is holding the open-box CGE PRO for me until I can get down there tomorrow or Saturday. He is going to let me take my monster OTA down there and try it out on the mount.

He is also offering a really good price for cash and a 2-year warranty! :grin:
Just have to drag Mrs. Astra down there and see how it looks.... wish me luck!

Dan

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 02:00 PM

I know it is about $2k over your budget...did you see this? Just a thought.

...or nevermind. I just saw one of skybsd's links...a better deal!

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 02:03 PM

There is an AP1200 for sale in the swap and shop section for a bang up price. If I was in the market, it's be gone.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 02:49 PM

The sooner you guys stop reminding me about that mount, the sooner I can get some sleep :4

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 03:09 PM

My Apologies. :rainbow: I did not know it elicited bad memories.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 03:16 PM

Hi Kirk,

My Apologies. :rainbow: I did not know it elicited bad memories.


No worries.., :)

I'll be fine..,

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 03:19 PM

Hi Dan,

Hi Guys!

Thanks Skybsd! I talked to Chris at OPT and he is holding the open-box CGE PRO for me until I can get down there tomorrow or Saturday. He is going to let me take my monster OTA down there and try it out on the mount.

He is also offering a really good price for cash and a 2-year warranty! :grin:
Just have to drag Mrs. Astra down there and see how it looks.... wish me luck!


Sounds like good news there.., Hopefully your scope will find its new home this weekend.., :fingerscrossed:

Do let us know how you get on..,

Regards,

skybsd

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 07:49 PM

my AP900QMD was indescribably awesome at $3500 !!!
http://www.pbase.com...848137/original

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 11:45 PM

my AP900QMD was indescribably awesome at $3500 !!!
http://www.pbase.com...848137/original


Sent you a PM, pal, give me a call!

Dan

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 12:35 AM

wow that cge pro looks like a deal.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 05:06 AM

wow that cge pro looks like a deal.


Well., last time I checked, there were TWO of them - if you're interested ;)

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 10:39 AM

wow that cge pro looks like a deal.

I got one at NEAF last year for much less then that. Even at 3k, it's no deal. :(
My advice would be to pass on it. It isn't worth the headaches.

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Posted 20 March 2011 - 08:48 PM

Sorry Dan! I wish I did still have it to sell you : )






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