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#1 APM M.Ludes

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 08:57 AM

as an info for a Tpoic on the Binocular forum, we would like to come up with some first infos about new APM Apo Binoculars 100 mm with interchangable eyepieces:

new real Douplet FPL Apos now in progress, straight modells, 45° modells and 90° modells.This Modells using FPL ED Glas and we required a usefull power up to 150 x and a illuminated circle of about 10 mm.
We have the first optical layout by hand and continue to work on them. It will take some more time before testsamples arrive. If they follow our designs, it will get a great new product, much more expensive then all others, but worth it. We want something in quality of the Myauchi Fluorite Apos and Kowa Highlander Fluorite as a final result, but much less expensive.
We keep you informed about our progress

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 09:02 AM

Thanks for the redirect from the binoculars forum to here. There are a good number of us bino enthusiasts that are anxiously awaiting better quality models of 45° and particularly 90° models of 100mm binocular telescopes. I have heard very good things about your service as well. A real doublet Apo BT would be welcomed if it even comes a little close to Miyauchi or Kowa performance and build.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 09:17 AM

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 09:45 AM

Markus, could you estimate the final price to the nearest 1000 euro? Or is it anyway going to be something like the cost of your 105mm Binoptic binoscope? (or more?)

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:19 PM

I have no price idea, I can only guess and my guess is, that it could be twice as the others, means around $ 2,000 , but its a guess only from experience.

I have some good hope for the quality

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 04:08 PM

Wow, if it lives up to your specifications above that would be an interesting price point. Thanks Markus.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:06 AM

The Optical Design is now completed. We have a 5 mm image circle with 100 % illumination , that is more then any other high end binocular we know and should be a fanatastic result

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:28 AM

Will they have the same housing than the existing binos?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:12 AM

Any chance of a product in the 90° type available by November this year? Will you have black available as the color the the 100 ED semi-apo 45° models?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:28 AM

speaking about the housings is to early, I required as lightweight as possible housings.

I required also new focusers

plan is to start delivery in later 2011, yes

color: I am undecited , whats your wishes ? We are free in Terms of color

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:47 AM

Thank you. Sorry for anticipating.

Re color: mmh, white with red or blue APM logo (like the 6 inch binos)?
Or red Bordeaux to fit on a black/dark red Berlebach azimutal mount (Giro style, with L bracket) and an ash-grey/dark grey Berlebach wooden tripod?
Metallic anthracit would be nice too?
Why not decline it in several, customer choice colors like Astrotech did with their cute 66mm EDs?
Black or metallic silver is nice too but these colors may create confusion with the semi APO and the simple 100m bino that already exist (if that is really an issue?).
Some metallic green could nicely fir with Ethos/Delos eyepieces ;)
Just a few ideas.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 08:50 AM

thanks for the ideas,you are right, we should do something nice here and when its time we come back to ask how you like it :-)

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 09:07 AM

Great news. As much as i want it available in black, Frank may be right in not confusing it with the semi-apo 100ED. Would prefer a darker color for sure though. As long as it is not champagne/silver/yellow/pink, I think it will be great. Dark Green/Blue/Gray/Burgundy would be alright. If you can do black, then that would suit too, even if it is the same color as the semi-apo. I would like to see something that disappears more when under dark conditions than my current white BT70/90. I would have preferred that in black too.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 09:14 AM

... I would like to see something that disappears more when under dark conditions than my current white BT70/90. I would have preferred that in black too.


That's certainly much more of an astronomer's argument than my aesthetic ones. On the other hand, slightly brighter color could help to better be instantly aware about the exact orientation of the instrument. :question: White scope tubes (refractors or newtonians) certainly have a reason to be so. Let's wait and see the end result. :jump:

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:03 PM

I required as lightweight as possible housings



With all due respect, I hope that light weight will not be a trade-off for adequately solid/ruggedly built... I tend to prefer things that are built like a tank, as opposed to lightweight/not as well made... I realize there's a happy spot in there somewhere for all, but just a thought. Just hoping it will be a solid build quality! :bow:

One additional thought- how about incorporating rubber plug-covered ports of some sort- or some sort of access to lend easy access to collimation adjustments? Seems there's always a bit of tweaking required- and it's a pain to have to take a plate off with an eyepiece holder on it to give a little tweak, put it back on, and see if you went the right way or not... and to keep having to do that! Man, if you could tweak the adjustments- then look to see the immediate effect, it'd be another whole ballgame!

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:05 PM

Hi Wes

I believe I have more aligned than anybody else, so I am fully with you and your idea, which is a part of my wish list :-)
I do my best to build a very userfriendly model
let see how many of our wished can be fullfilled :-)

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 04:19 PM

All the communication over the attempt to get a product like this is much appreciated. Really looking forward to see what comes out of this.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:03 AM

Highly looking forward, I agree.
May be there will also be an attachment base for small finder or Telrad or GLP or other aiming/pointing device.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:50 AM

the plan regards finder is to sell it with a optical finder as Myauchi did , you see we think how to get a great product :-)

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 09:27 AM

Wow, Markus-
You're making it like Christmas... writing a letter to Santa!! ;)
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Posted 28 April 2011 - 03:15 AM

Markus,
Here are some suggestions as I know people want it:

1- Twist lock eyepiece holder so it will be easy to remove or inserted.
2- Collimation Screws radily available without opening the "CAN"
3- Front Objective cover can be converted as masking when needed.
4- Spacing or placement of a finder or RDF.
5- Incorporated for 3/16 -18 as well as 1/4" hole to be competible for different mounts.
6- A guide about its focal length, Number of elements, Field stop and prism type.
7- Keep the weight low but retain the quality.
8- Buffling in dewshield as well as in the barrel.

The number seven is also importent just as from number 1-6. Most users hesitate to buy heavier instrument because of the mounts they already have it. If the weight is under 13# then it can work with most of the mounts that have rated at around 15#.

For colour; it is purely business. Most attract on White, Black or a hint of red into it but you can setup a page and ask for it.

Once it available; I would love to review for it.
Thank you

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 04:36 AM

Hi Jawaid,

1, eyepiece holders are still under design
2, is done already, design is completed , easy access now from outside while you look with 2 eyes :-), great improvement for anybody.
3, baffles : why baffles ? No binocular worldwide has baffles
4, threads 3/8" and 1/4" is standart
anything else no problem

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 07:51 AM

2, is done already, design is completed , easy access now from outside while you look with 2 eyes :-), great improvement for anybody.


:bow: :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

If this thing comes in at under $3000, under 16 lbs, and isn't champagne or silver, I'm on for sure at end of the year. Bonus would be a full or close to full aperture with no obstruction at 90°, but so many on the binocular forum have expressed liking their current 45° models, that I would settle for a quality 45° model with no problem also.

Thankfully enough US customers have expressed that buying from APM is really no problem as their are at least two options for US service. Thanks again!

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 09:25 AM

This "little thing" really seems on the right track.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 10:48 AM

this binocular will be build as a straight version, a 45° version and a 90° version, all will have 10 mm field with 100% illumination of full aperture !!!!






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