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#1 WarrenS

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 07:48 PM

I'm not in the market for anything costing more than a few hundred bucks right now but I still peruse the refractor section of Amart every now and then. Much to my astonishment there's a listing for a 7" AP refractor for $35,000! $35,000 buys a BMW, maybe a nice condo in todays real estate market, maybe a 24" RC complete with observatory and a top of the line CCD camera! Am I missing something or this ludicrous? I realize it's an Astro Physics, but it's still a 7" telescope. Oh, and the buyer pays shipping. Roland must be laughing his @#$ off right now. Gonna watch this one to see if it ever sells and if so to who.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 08:04 PM

It's only worth 35 grand to someone who is willing to pay it. Even if it had the most accurate lens ever made, it's still only 7" and limited by that to what it can show.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 08:13 PM

I saw that ad also,but I can't find it now. I did see a Astro Physics 8" for $18,000. For that much money you can get a large dob. for sure with money left over for a good :refractor: :refractor: used vehicle.

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#4 Paul G

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:43 PM

There were only a dozen made, and at least two have sold at that price. It will appreciate in value when Roland retires, that BMW will eventually be worth nothing. There's a Traveler + 400 GTO package for $10,000 listed, too. It is what it is. :)

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:54 PM

I saw that ad also,but I can't find it now. I did see a Astro Physics 8" for $18,000. For that much money you can get a large dob. for sure with money left over for a good :refractor: :refractor: used vehicle.

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Well one thing is for certain you'll see much better than a large glob through a large Dob! :smirk: :smirk:Mike

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:08 PM

35,000 dollars for 7" refractor .... no thanks! I see some a lot more than 35,000 dollars if you check out large refractors in Scope City website! S & T magazine Jan. 2004 Astronomics sell TMB 10" f9 refractor for $39,000! But also selling 12", 14" and 20" but prices on request! I wondered is how much the cost is TMB 20"? Thats half size of the world largest refractor! :shocked:

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:11 PM

The AP180 f/7 EDF is one of the rarest telescopes to come out of Astro-Physics. With only about a dozen ever made it is truly one of the most coveted scopes for AP collectors. Now is it work $35,000? I think its a bit high actually, especially in this economy. One could buy a gorgeous TEC 180 f/7 on an AP900 or AP1200 and still have a bit left over if they truly wanted a 7" f/7 Apo.

In the end its still a 7" telescope no matter which way you cut it. A VERY pricy one at that.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:21 PM

The TEC 180 for $19K is where I'd put my money.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:47 PM

The AP180 f/7 EDF is one of the rarest telescopes to come out of Astro-Physics. With only about a dozen ever made it is truly one of the most coveted scopes for AP collectors. Now is it work $35,000? I think its a bit high actually, especially in this economy. One could buy a gorgeous TEC 180 f/7 on an AP900 or AP1200 and still have a bit left over if they truly wanted a 7" f/7 Apo.

In the end its still a 7" telescope no matter which way you cut it. A VERY pricy one at that.


I get the collector aspect, I had a small collection of Leica cameras at one time. The shame of it was anything "collectible" had to stay safely at home or risk damage which would take a bite out of resale value. It'd be a shame not to get full use out of a great scope having paid a huge sum in order to maintain it's value and collectibility.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:28 AM

You saw correctly; here it is:
http://www.astromart...ified_id=753413

Well, you know, it includes the hardcase, feathertouch focuser and a 2" to 1.25" adaptor! Shipping and insurance extra.
I dunno though, if I had $35,000 to blow, would I get a 8-9" refractor or should I get a Webster C28? Always the choice between obstructed vs. unobstructed with glass quality going to the smaller refractor (by virtue of the relative ease of shaping smaller pieces of glass and of course, Roland's outstanding reputation)but sheer light gathering ability going to the large dob. Mounting will probably be almost the same when you compare the full weight of the refractor + mount vs. large dob, with plus point being the dob can be wheeled....

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:44 AM

The 12" f/12 APM/LZOS triplet is 295,000 Euros (about $400k).

Kinda makes 7" for $35k look like a bargain. :lol:

My dream set-up is a solar powered, off-the-grid observatory in southern Utah (Everett Ruess country), with a mighty big refractor. That 12" f/12 LZOS would be just the thing. If it wasn't so danged expensive, that is. :grin:

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#12 Lew Chilton

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 02:12 AM

Did AP ever make a 9-incher?

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 02:42 AM

Did AP ever make a 9-incher?


One, they are posting about it in the classic telescope forum. It is the Pearl.

I believe there are two, maybe three 10 inchers. I think one of the 10 inch refractors is folded.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 03:21 AM

There are people for whom that kind of money is just rounding error on a day's expenses. But I am not one of them. :(

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:17 AM

I think this has more to do with collectors, like rare item or antique collectors. I know of people who spend a fortune to buy a vintage car or paintings so why not a scope. :grin:

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 08:24 AM

The TEC 180 for $19K is where I'd put my money.

Me too. :grin: However, if I were in a position to buy the AP, I would.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:01 AM

Did AP ever make a 9-incher?


There is actually two 9" AP scopes but there is only one that is an f/12 or what ever the Pearl is in the classic forum. The other is a folded 9" that was custom made. It sold on Astromart a couple years ago.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:49 AM

My dream set-up is a solar powered, off-the-grid observatory in southern Utah (Everett Ruess country), with a mighty big refractor. That 12" f/12 LZOS would be just the thing.


12" air spaced triplets are only useable in tropical climates where cooling is a non issue, in Utah forget it, ask Markus about the problems.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:48 AM

IIRC, didn't Anacortes or Herb sell a new AP 180 f7 fairly recently, a new objective with the newest coatings and tube/paint? Wonder if this is the same scope?

Markus Ludes observed through one during a WSP and called it a magic scope. Maybe he can step in here and describe his observing experience.

I was offered a spot on the production run for this scope when I was ordering my 155 f7 EDFS. Marty at Company 7 told me it would be only 48" long, a "sweet scope," and at $8200 not hugely more expensive than the 155. Not really knowing how AP works I declined because it wouldn't fit as well on my G11 as the 155, and I could upgrade later to the 180. :foreheadslap: Lesson learned. I had an opportunity several years later for a private purchase but the going price was already $35K so I had to pass.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:15 PM

The TEC 180 for $19K is where I'd put my money.

Me too. :grin: However, if I were in a position to buy the AP, I would.


+1! Can you imagine the imaging potential? Some of the stuff Tony Hallas did with his 8" AP is phenomenal.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:56 PM

Did AP ever make a 9-incher?


One, they are posting about it in the classic telescope forum. It is the Pearl.

I believe there are two, maybe three 10 inchers. I think one of the 10 inch refractors is folded.

B.


Roland told me he made two 9" oil spaced triplets. One is a F14.7 or so. And the other is my 1984 9" F10.6 and was the only one made from Nasa Glass. Roland Called it the "Onesy". It is in a class all by itself. It is the only one like it. The views are incredible. I have had Saturn at close to 700Xs and it seems to only be limited by the seeing.
Lets See, if you offered me $35k Cash for it right now ???? What would I say????? :shocked: Heck no!!

As far as the cost of some of these telescopes it is all relative. To some folks $35k is like me buying my wife dinner. I have not used the 8"EDF but a friend has one of Rolands 7" EDTs and I can say it is an incredible telescope. I sure hope one of my friends hits the loto and buys the thing, so I cant get a look through it!!! :lol:
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#22 jmiele

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:39 PM

Ok Clint....lets have it.. :) How much for me to have that scope and mount? Come on, everything has it's price.... :)

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:45 PM

AP is the new Zeiss where collectors are concerned. Wonder what's more expensive, an APQ150 or this one?

What is the "current" price for the AP-Mak btw??

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:15 PM

there's a listing for a 7" AP refractor for $35,000! $35,000 buys a BMW, maybe a nice condo in todays real estate market, maybe a 24" RC complete with observatory and a top of the line CCD camera! Am I missing something or this ludicrous? I realize it's an Astro Physics, but it's still a 7" telescope.


For more or less the same amount of money, APM offers a used Zeiss 110 mm refractor. To be fair, that does include the mount and pier. Perhaps the 7" AP isn't a bad deal in comparison.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 04:48 PM

The TEC 180 for $19K is where I'd put my money.



Amen to that!

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