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#526 Simon S

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:04 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Those are beautiful, Simon. They remind me of the little 6x15 Japanese binos my grandparents gave me when I was a kid. They weren't Nikons, though, and were not center focus.

I believe Nikon still makes a similar model with modern coatings, IIRC.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

Yes Rich you are correct. They are still listed as Nippon Kogaku and the examples I have seen are individual eye focus.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:52 PM

They did remake these a few years ago and I was able to look through one. The images were exquisite. I also have a small poncy looking Nikon in the same size but in a moulded yellow body. I don't think the images are quite up to the 'naked' model.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

That was the first bino imported by David BUSHNELL and they were out of production for 50 years. They came back several years ago and, while I was at Captain's would sell them at Christmas like candy bars, along with the brother the 6x15. They would give pocket models by the big three a run for their money.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:52 PM

A distant memory says that something very similar to what Simon pictures were lableled Nippon Kogaku and also Mikron somewhere else on the body. I recall it to be a 6 x 15.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.


I love these. I also have the 5x15 version, center focus and the 6x15 which are IF. They come with a super little leather case that you can say - they don't make 'em like that any more! They have tiny rotating rings for collimation!

Simon, the modern ones are as nicely made with better coatings, not as nice but still leather case. Super sharp.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.


I love these. I also have the 5x15 version, center focus and the 6x15 which are IF. They come with a super little leather case that you can say - they don't make 'em like that any more! They have tiny rotating rings for collimation!

Simon, the modern ones are as nicely made with better coatings, not as nice but still leather case. Super sharp.

Jae

Are they all nippon Kogaku / Nikon's?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.


I love these. I also have the 5x15 version, center focus and the 6x15 which are IF. They come with a super little leather case that you can say - they don't make 'em like that any more! They have tiny rotating rings for collimation!

Simon, the modern ones are as nicely made with better coatings, not as nice but still leather case. Super sharp.

Jae

Are they all nippon Kogaku / Nikon's?


Yes! The older 6x15 is also labeled Mikron and the new ones are Nikon with the 6x15 cf in silver and the 7x15 in black.

I'll take some pics this weekend and post them all.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:57 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.


I love these. I also have the 5x15 version, center focus and the 6x15 which are IF. They come with a super little leather case that you can say - they don't make 'em like that any more! They have tiny rotating rings for collimation!

Simon, the modern ones are as nicely made with better coatings, not as nice but still leather case. Super sharp.

Jae

Are they all nippon Kogaku / Nikon's?


Yes! The older 6x15 is also labeled Mikron and the new ones are Nikon with the 6x15 cf in silver and the 7x15 in black.

I'll take some pics this weekend and post them all.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:19 AM

Heres a 6x15 that just came up for sale in Australia.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

Hello everyone.
Here's what I have:
7x50, CF, with focus wheel from -5 (infinity) to + 5 (up close). Right eye diopter adjust. Serial number between barrels 2762210
Bought it almost sight unseen, but for $ 20 (including shipping) that's ok.
The binoculars are not in great shape: someone painted the back plates with a roughly applied black enamel (to cover rust I think) and the right prism has a couple of chips.
Marking on the right back plate say M and 7x50 (see picture 1 below). The one on the left I can only see Jena and the a circle with a vertical bar and the symbol ~ underneath (see pictures below). Perfectly collimated, and very sharp to my eyes (at least in daytime). I don't think it is coated. Any info?
Thanks!
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:47 PM

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

The last one

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

Here is a good discussion about these M marked Jena binoculars on Birdforum a while ago: http://www.birdforum...ad.php?t=189055

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

It wreaks of Zeiss, even without the "Jena."

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

I read the thread on bird forum and it is quite convoluted. It seems that these could be a East German product of the mid-60's. Regardless, they are, even in their poor conditions, better than some of the 7x50 of Japanese origin I have. I cannot say if there is any coating on the lenses, but they do throw a surprising sharp and bright image. The inside is finished in a well applied flat black coating. They may have been an attempt by East Germany to raise export cash, but I think there is still some Zeiss know-how in them. I think they are worth my $20.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:37 AM

Thats a Zeiss im sure.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:23 PM

This late 1940's -1950's Nippon Kogaku skeleton binocular is one of Nikons more unusual models. Despite its tiny dimensions it makes a good pocket binocular, with central focus and wide fov. Image is sharp and fairly distortion free but in big hands it's a bit of a fiddle.


I love these. I also have the 5x15 version, center focus and the 6x15 which are IF. They come with a super little leather case that you can say - they don't make 'em like that any more! They have tiny rotating rings for collimation!

Simon, the modern ones are as nicely made with better coatings, not as nice but still leather case. Super sharp.

Jae

Are they all nippon Kogaku / Nikon's?


Here are the older Mikon 6x15 IF models. The one above with 8.3 deg seems to have slightly better eyerelief.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

Here are the center focus models of old:

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:26 PM

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:27 PM

Now the modern versions in 6x and 7x:

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:29 PM

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

Jae, love the Nikons, and with original boxes! Which is your favorite?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

Jae, love the Nikons, and with original boxes! Which is your favorite?


Simon,

My favorites are the center focus one that you have in the 7x15. Of course the modern versions are better, brighter, with multi-coatings but the older ones are amazing in their own right (after cleaning the typically fogged prisms). Easily sharper than older small roofs without phase coatings coatings.

5x15 has a relaxed, wide field that is easier to hold steady, so it's nice too. Holding the little 7x steady is like holding most larger 10x or 12x steady.


In the "skeletal" metal bodied binoculars, I think these center focus Nikons are the best of the breed. Highest, with the most consistent quality.

I think the newer ones are really impressive, as Bill C says - it gives the 3 Alphas a run for the money, at half the size, less than half the money.






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