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#26 orlyandico

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:38 PM

I downloaded the data sheet from their web site. Fairly standard, 1Vpp which is the more recent Heidenhain "standard". Some older H. Interpolation boxes like the EXE series use the older 11uApp standard, we don't want that...

Basically it's not a matter of choosing the right encoder, but rather trawling ebay for the cheapest possible analog encoder and then working back from that..

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 06:40 PM

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:19 PM

I just got a request out for a 5000 cycle sin/cos
encoder, but it must be expensive I fear! :bawling:
The Heidenhahn was quit expensive compared to others,
so right now I'm checking cheaper alternatives.
The interpolation scheme will depend on the strategy
to follow, we'll see.

[edit]Typo, wasn't 10.000 but 5.000 cycles :bawling:

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:45 PM

Mert, yes they are expensive, $800 range. EBay is your friend. :-). I saw a Heidenhain ERN180 for $160. But I got the Baumer for $100. New the cheapest is Gurley (used in the SiTech).

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 12:08 PM

Just got a quote for a new Tamagawa 2048 sin/cos encoder
which is very apealing to me, eventhough they ask 220€
plus shipment ( another 60€ !! ).
I'm looking at some external hardware to hookup between
the arduino and the encoder to speed things up.
With a modest 864x interpolation I'll have 8.640.000
pulses ( quadratured ) which should be enough I believe.
Some interesting Flash-ADC chip does the conversion in
only 1.18usec! ( 8 bit only :bawling:), so using 2 of them
for sin and cos.
I'm still thinking which way apeals most to me to setup
the whole thing.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:51 PM

864X interpolation isn't modest! :tonofbricks:

the key issue is that any form of interpolation will be inaccurate. So the lower the interpolation, the better.

with a 2048-ppr and 8-bit interpolation (256X) you should get 524288 tics per rev, or 2.47" per tic, or 6 tics per second. I think that should be enough...

I am planning to run my 5000-ppr encoder at 200X only = 1 million tics per rev, 1.296" per tic.

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Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:54 PM

Are you using 1 channel or 2?? ( sin and cos output
available )

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 02:24 PM

Hi Orlyandico,

Thinking it over again, with a 5000 cycle encoder:
Sidereal day has aprox. 86164.091 seconds.
That means 1 turn of the encoder in a sidereal day gives
us 0.058028814 cycles per second.
Doing 259x interpolation on 1 channel would give us
aprox. 15.0294628 pulses or ticks, which equates quit
nicely to the sidereal rate of the mounts.
Accumulated error in 1min and 1 second would be
aprox. 0.7716" which can be compensated for.
360º = 1296000 seconds
5000*259 = 1295000 pulses So we will miss 1000 pulses
each 360º with this scheme.
Looks like it isn't too hard to get there. :jump:

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

I think if we can do about 10 tics per second that is adequate.

Since there are 1296000" per sidereal day and 86164 seconds, that is 15.04" per second.

To get 10 tics per second (which means we can update the RA speed 5x / second - much better than any autoguider!) we would need a resolution of 1.5" per tic. Which translates to 861K tics. The 5000ppr analog encoder, with 4X digital quadrature and 50X analog interpolation, would be 1 million tics. That would be sufficient.

So even a 2048ppr analog encoder would do.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:47 PM

given that there's a Heidenhain ERN 180 on ebay right now for $157 USD, and you can buy the encoder for 220 EUR new... I'm not so hyped up about tape that costs $200.






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