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#1 7lx200gps

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:27 PM

To all,
I was fumbling around Orion's website and I found the Skywatcher AZ EQ6 is being marketed in the USA under Orion. It's called the Orion Atlas Pro AZ/EQ-G Computerized GoTo Telescope Mount. I don't know if anyone discovered this, but here it is. Expected ship date is the end of January 2013, but is priced at $2300!!!! The LX80 is amazingly priced to this. But I bet this will be better quality.

http://www.telescope.../Orion-Atlas...

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:30 PM

Three-in-one GoTo mount can operate in GoTo Equatorial mode holding one telescope, or in GoTo Altazimuth mode holding one or two different telescopes
Capable of holding a 44-pound telescope payload -- ideal for any observational or astrophotographic pursuits
Accurate belt-driven stepper motor drive system can locate any of over 42,000 celestial curiosities with tracking precision of 0.1436 arc-second steps
Features closed-loop electronics to maintain alignment even after an inadvertent bump or nudge
Features a dual-width dovetail saddle for use with narrow or wide dovetail plates, a 1" diameter counterweight shaft, a built-in autoguider port, PEC capability, and 9 different slew speeds

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:49 AM

I hope it is a great mount! At $2300 it is beyond what I could pay so the LX80 would still th only mount like this that is in the running for my money. I'm looking forward to hearing from some early users.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:21 AM

It definitely has my interest peaked. I was looking to spend some money on a cgem/cgem dx, but with the 3 in 1 package listed here, I'm all ears. Especially with Orion's customer service background. I haven't heard any negative reviews of them, that I can remember. The dual mount would be awesome for outreaches or when my in laws come over.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:35 AM

I love it, but it looks like a couple hundred more than I was hoping for. Hopefully it won't be plagued by the growing pains of the LX80. I look forward to hearing folks' first light reports.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:41 AM

The internal encoders are the big thing here.

They are only 6,000-something tick (so cannot be used for periodic error correction like the AP1600 and 3600). But they aren't $10,800 or $19,000 either.

With the built-in axis encoders, you can declutch and push the mount around, and it won't lose GoTo sync. A pretty handy feature.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:44 AM

It is a beautyfull mount,i played with a demo last weekend i was positivelly impressed.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:37 AM

I'm looking seriously at this mount. Guess we need some user reports.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

I'll wait until I can get an LX800 OTA and reducer, and until this one is under $2000. However, I'm glad Orion brought it in. I had some email exchanges with them when it was announced that indicated they were at least looking into it, and it appears like they were on top of things as usual.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

I would guess it won't stay at this price too long. ;)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:55 PM

I would guess it won't stay at this price too long. ;)


Well, this is only preorder and the deliveries aren't expected until the end of January, so probably for a little while at least.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:33 PM

To compare the Skywatcher to the LX-80 is like comparing apples to...rocks. While they may have some of the same features they are completely different mounts and any comparison is unfair to the AZ EQ6. While the price difference does put it in another class than the LX-80 it to me looks to be worth the extra cost in apparent engineering and manufacturing processes though that is yet to be seen. This just might be the mount Meade got me excited about over a year ago as it has the features I am looking for. :jump:

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:04 PM

To compare the Skywatcher to the LX-80 is like comparing apples to...rocks. While they may have some of the same features they are completely different mounts and any comparison is unfair to the AZ EQ6. While the price difference does put it in another class than the LX-80 it to me looks to be worth the extra cost in apparent engineering and manufacturing processes though that is yet to be seen. This just might be the mount Meade got me excited about over a year ago as it has the features I am looking for. :jump:


Same here. Dang that LX80. :flame:

Not that it's quite as bad as you would think from some of the postings here. I had a chance to try Jack Huerkamp's 80 recently, and it, I thought, was OK for visual or maybe even video. IF you keep the payload to a C8 or at most a C9.25. 40 pounds? I don' THEEENK so, Lucy. :lol:

At its original price, I might still be tempted. At the one grand level? No way. And I would be concerned about continuing support for it if things get worse at Meade.

As for th AZ-EQ6? Time will tell, but I wouldn't pay that much of a premium for just an alt-az mode and some encoders--assuming that performance wise it is similar to the Atlas EQ6. We will see. ;)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

...I wouldn't pay that much of a premium for just an alt-az mode and some encoders--assuming that performance wise it is similar to the Atlas EQ6. We will see. ;)


There are a few other things listed:

Improved altitude adjustment mechanism, Improved Ra & Dec clutch mechanism, diameter of counterweight shaft 25mm versus 18mm, the weight rating is 44 pounds versus 40 pounds.

What's up with this?

AZ: Height range of mount 29.00 in. - 49.00 in.
Original: Height range of mount 40.00 in. - 61.50 in.
"The height range specification is a measure of the tripod itself - not the eyepiece height. Since telescopes come in all shapes and sizes, the eyepiece height will vary, even when using the same tripod. For an EQ tripod the mount is set up so the counterweight shaft is horizontal, and then the height is measured from the ground to the center of the mounting plate."

They look like the same tripod to me. :confused: :confused: :confused:

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

Rich at Orion is looking into the above question for me.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

51 pounds for both the tripod and head looks good. Especially coming from a DX.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

I would guess it won't stay at this price too long. ;)


Rod, are you saying you expect the Orion price to rise or fall over time?

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:21 PM

Does anyone what the native PE of this mount is?
I also couldn't find anywhere what the diameter of the RA and Dec wheel is.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:05 PM

Rod,

The LX80 did not do video well in Alt-Az with the 9.25 at 22# with a 22# counterweight. With about 15# and the supplied 11" counterweight the LX80 performed well with my MalinCams at ECVAR. I got up to 75 seconds with a C6 HyperStar while looking at the Helix. I have been busy since returning from DSRSG, but I do hope to test out further the LX80 with my video cameras.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 04:45 AM

There seems to be a power requirements difference between the Skywatcher and the Orion version. Skywatcher indicates that it uses 12V DC 3A, whereas the Orion uses 12-volt DC 5A and they have an "optional" 5-amp AC-to-DC converter for it.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 07:03 AM

There seems to be a power requirements difference between the Skywatcher and the Orion version. Skywatcher indicates that it uses 12V DC 3A, whereas the Orion uses 12-volt DC 5A and they have an "optional" 5-amp AC-to-DC converter for it.

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I doubt that that represents any real difference. A 5 or 3A converter will probably be fine with either.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 08:05 AM

I changed the Subject to make better sense of it.

Skywatcher/Orion's AZ-EQ6 is a completely different mount than Meade's LX80.
Stating that one is a rebranded (Skywatcher's version of Meade) is like saying Apple iPad-mini is a version of Google Nexus 7 :).

Not only the mechanical design is completely different, the GOTO systems are also different. AZ-EQ6 is a SynScan microstepping system while LX80 is a classic 497 DC Perm-mag servo motor based design.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

The LX80 also looks like a bag of spanners.

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

I changed the Subject to make better sense of it.

Skywatcher/Orion's AZ-EQ6 is a completely different mount than Meade's LX80.
Stating that one is a rebranded (Skywatcher's version of Meade) is like saying Apple iPad-mini is a version of Google Nexus 7 :).

Not only the mechanical design is completely different, the GOTO systems are also different. AZ-EQ6 is a SynScan microstepping system while LX80 is a classic 497 DC Perm-mag servo motor based design.

Clear Skies!

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You changed the subject title of someone elses thread? Bad form! :foreheadslap: And thanks for reinforcing what I said in an earlier post. :roflmao:

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 02:18 PM

Original Subject read:
Skywatcher version of the LX80 comes to USA!!!!



I'd rather make the title right instead of leaving the entire discussion thread and some readers the false impression that Skywatcher AZ-EQ6 is rebranding Meade's product :) .






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