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#1 Rick Woods

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

... of the book "The Moon" by Wilkins and Moore (1955). It's been recommended to me, but it's a little pricy and I thought I'd see what you guys think of it before jumping in.

Mardi (Photonovore), if you're hanging out here, I'd especially appreciate your take on the book.

Thanks in advance!

#2 Tim2723

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:34 PM

The first question is always simple: Why do you want a copy? It is a volume of some historical significance to be sure.

Sadly, much of my library was destroyed a few years ago and that volume with it. I know I can't be much help, but if you have a specific question I'll try to recall as best I can.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:46 PM

Hi Tim

I'm not completely sure I do want a copy. The historical significance is a large part of it. I like works that date from the pre-spacecraft, strictly observational era. The included 300-inch Wilkins map is something I'd like to peruse, although I've read that it's not really very accurate. I have a number of various older works, and I generally find that I get something out of them that's missing from newer works. The speculative element, as opposed to dry facts. (That's a broad generalization, of course; "Modern Moon", for example, is anything but a dry, factual work!) Also, "mysteries" get treated in older works that seem to fall through the cracks and get ignored in newer ones.

Did you enjoy the book as a good read? I'm sorry to hear about your library, I hope nobody was hurt in whatever it was that happened.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:19 PM

Mine was the second edition (1961), so it was not that important a loss, although those are selling for $75 - %100 a copy. A first edition is going to be much more dear.

A good read? Sure. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Sir Patrick but he has an entertaining style. Is it accurate? Of course not. Nothing pre-Apollo is going to be completely accurate, but I share your interest in older works for the same reasons you mention. The speculative nature of them and their willingness to explore 'mysteries' holds a lot of charm in itself.

If Mardi doesn't chime in soon, be sure to PM her. You might also look up the user Dan Luna. While he hasn't been active here for a long while I believe he still checks his mail from time to time. Dan has a remarkable collection and is particularly expert in 19th and early 20th century lunar science. I'm sure you'd find his views very interesting.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

Thanks, Tim. I will.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:35 PM

OK, PMs sent off to Dan and Mardi.

Tim - other than resale value, is there any particular reason to prefer the 1st edition to one of the later ones? If the content is the same, I'll just go for the best price I can find; but I'd hate to get a later one, just to find it was missing the most wonderful part of the first edition!

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

I'm sure Sir Patrick will have much to say about the volcanic origin of craters and lunar mystery lights.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:17 AM

Wilkins and Moore: The moon; a complete description of the surface of the moon

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 10:58 AM

Rick, I never owned a first edition so I can't answer. That's a good question for Dan though. I'm all but certain he has (or had) both.

You're sure to find volcanic craters and transient phenomenon discussed in pretty much any pre-Apollo book. It's not just Sir Patrick. Craters as extinct volcanoes, active vulcanism, lunar dust miles deep, the Moon spinning off from the proto-earth, all those were prevailing theories at the time. I doubt you'd have to look far to find a layman in his 50s or 60s that would still give those answers if questioned. We were all given those as scientific fact as schoolchildren. My fifth-grade science book taught them with absolute authority.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:17 PM

LOL! Yeah, a lot of books in my Mars library are equally certain on the subject of lichens, canals, and globally flat terrain. And that's the sort of stuff I like, too.
At least Sir Patrick finally capitulated on the volcano thing.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 12:23 PM

Be sure to search out Dan's posts in the image galleries. He posted lots of early artist's renderings of the Moon's surface. Jutting walled plains, spouting volcanoes...great stuff!

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 01:49 PM

They thought crater rims were much more spikey than they really are. Actually, I've seen some recent paintings on CN that follow in that tradition. :thinking:

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

There's one in the for sale forums here right now for $65. I'm not the seller and have no connection, I just remembered reading this thread the other day.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:18 PM

Thanks, Mike.
I have an offer in on one; if that falls through, I'll get with PJ.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:05 PM

As I said elsewhere, I've obtained a good copy of this book.

But, I find it confusing in parts. Many crater names, etc. were added to the map by the authors, and appear nowhere else in the literature (at least, such literature as I have). A lot of these names appear at the back of the book; a lot don't.

But some are a mystery to me. Examples are Mare Veris, Mare Parvum, and Palus Nebularum. Does anyone know, is there a place where I could learn the origin and pedigree of these and other names? Some source that would list all old and new names?

I'm finding the "Times Atlas of the Moon" to be a big help with this book, as the Wilkins map is so cluttered and hard to interpret. (The fact that it's been shrunk to 1/10 its original size doesn't help, either.)

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

Rick,

Try here:

Nomenclature Lists

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

If Mardi doesn't chime in soon, be sure to PM her.


Hmm - I sent PMs to both of them long ago, but neither has opened them. Both are MIA, I hope they're OK.

Digression: I went to Mardi's web site looking for a "contact me" link, but found none. I did, however, find an "About" link which pulls up a few pictures. I had a vague idea in my mind as to what Mardi would look like; but it was totally different from the pictures of the young, dark-haired beauty on a motorcycle that came up on the link.

Just goes to show you! :)

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:24 PM

Rick,

Try here:

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Thanks, Mike! :D
Once I learn to navigate it effectively, that should be just what I need!

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

Rick,

I think this is exactly what you need:

Wilkins 300-inch Map Names

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

Thanks again, Mike. I've bookmarked both links.

Some of that is in the book as well. But, I don't see the two Maria names as additions to the book in either the appendix or the link; so those must go back farther, and must have been dropped somewhere between the mid-50's and the mid-60's.
The clickable index looks a lot more like the Moon than the actual map does!

I find I can google on each mystery name individually and get some information on them, too. So between that and your links, I ought to be able to figure all this out.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

Easiest way to get ahold of Mardi.

Quote from Mardi's website Cityastronomy

Questions? e-me at: mclark (at) cityastronomy (dot) com



Let her know that she has been missed here on CN.
I haven't seen her post here in a long time :bawling:.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:18 PM

Thanks, Tim. I did send here an email at that address, but no response so far. I PM'd her about the book some time ago, with the "notify of delivery" flag set; but haven't received any notification. Her last post was on 10/30.

I hope all is well with her, and she's just doing something that's a lot more fun than posting on CN! :D






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