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#1 mike73

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:25 AM

I took a trip to a dark site last Saturday to put my new 16" Sumerian through its paces and had a great night.
Seeing was excellent at around Antoniadi I but poor transparency hampered DSO hunting/sketching so I have to wait a little longer to properly see how much detail a larger aperture scope can pull.

M1 was very hard to sketch with the conditions so poor, just a few fleeting glimpses was all that I was given to make the sketch.

The brighter M42/43 was alot easier but I under clearer skies I should imagine more detail and contrast should be shown.
They say good things come to those that wait well I've had enough of waiting....GIMMEE CLEAR SKIES!!! :grin:

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:26 AM

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#3 Aquarellia

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:34 AM

Well done Mike, your site is interesting as well, thanks to share.
Say hello for me to the beatifull bay of Plymouth
Michel

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:43 AM

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:51 AM

A 16" in dark skies, WOOOW! Nice sketches. I especially like the one of M1, which shows the detail well.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

Mike,

Very nice sketches of M-1 & M-42/M-43 :).

CS,KLU,

:thanx:,

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

M1 is far from disappointing, my friend. Beautiful rendition with more detail than I've ever seen.

The Orion Nebula is incredible. Mike, what materials did you use? Oil pastel? Chalk?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

Mike,

You have 2 beautiful looking sketches there.
A 16 inch scope is a great scope to have under dark skies for observing and sketching.

Frank :)

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:12 PM

Mike

Your two sketches are simply fabulous and incredible. There is so much details. I can really feel I'm looking throught your scope.

Congratulation

Andre

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:51 AM

Thankyou all for the comments.

Jason - I use the 'Melish technique' for sketching so its white pastels/pastel pencil and white ink pen.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

Beautiful work and among the best. It's a treasure when you see deep sky drawn accurately and representative of the difficult and elusive nature of the perception.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

Two very fine pieces of work, Mike!

Your M42 is amazing!

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:13 PM

Hi Mike,

Would you talk a moment about how to did the outer nebulosity of M42? What tools did you use to lighten it/blend it in places? Did you put the stars down first or after?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Hi Mike,

Would you talk a moment about how to did the outer nebulosity of M42? What tools did you use to lighten it/blend it in places? Did you put the stars down first or after?



Hi Michael
I think the best I can do is point you towards this tutorial which really helped me when I first started using pastels ( big thankyou to Alex for writing it up). :)

My M42 was simply done by brushing on thin layers of white pastel and then using a putty eraser to take some pastel off which helps with the wispy nebula look.
Stars are added last using either a pastel pencil of white ink pen.

I hope this helps a little? I've found that using pastels is an excellent technique for astro sketching.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:53 PM

Thanks Mike! That and the tutorial link helps immensely. I will need to try this. I like the effect.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

Wow, the filaments in the Crab are really cool. I have never seen them visually and appreciate someone who can tease them out. Well done.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:49 AM

Great sketching!Nice work.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:51 PM

Thankyou all for the comments.

Jason - I use the 'Melish technique' for sketching so its white pastels/pastel pencil and white ink pen.


Mike, thank you very much for the link to Alexander Massey's article at IceInSpace. I was not familiar with Scott Mellish. His method was simple and effective. I love it. Looks like I need to make another trip to the art supply store.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:06 PM

This is very beautiful. I just started sketching to improve my observing skills with pencil. I just tried m42 the other night it's not easy to sketch. You are a true artist great work.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

Real amazing sketches! Both are not easy to do if you want to cathc the subtle details.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:41 AM

wonderful sketches Mike, you would have lost track of time observing and sketching those beauties :) , but am curious to know on how much time you spent in sketching session?

Clear skies
Ravi

#22 mike73

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

Hi Ravi and thankyou.
I probably took about 2 hours on each sketch/observation.

M42 was a case of spending time using different magnifications and trying filtered and unfiltered views. In the end I decided on using no filters and a 17.3mm Delos.
M1 was different. The transparency was so poor that I would only get an occasional glimpse of any detail, it was almost like piecing together parts of a puzzle.

I dont set any time restrictions when sketching, seems pointless to rush something you really enjoy.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 05:35 AM

I totally agree you Mike on not having time restrictions, hope to see more in coming time :)

Clear skies
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 03:43 PM

Mike,
These are both excellent. Your technique with the white pastel is amazing-and thank you for sharing a little of your technique. I cant make up my mind which one I like better: M1 more difficult to observe and yet a very detailed sketch. Your sketch of m42 is one of the best I've seen.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:25 AM

Awesome sketches!!!!






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