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#1 johnnyha

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

Wow. Two complete sets of ZAO-II, a Mk V binoviewer and a Zeiss 2X Abbe Barlow for sale as one kit. Don't see that very often! :cool:

Of course I don't consider the 4mm or 6mm to be suitable for binoviewing... :p

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

So what was the price of that set? Not a member on AM...

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

$9500, and it's still available.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Ouch!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

At that price I think I will refrain from bidding. "She who must be obeyed", would never let me loose with that much money. :lol:

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:29 AM

$9500, and it's still available.

That's why it is still available!!! :p Even a collector likes to think they got a little bit of a deal. ;)

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

Yeah, I'd say it's about 2 grand over what it should be realistically sold for.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

I agree. The MkVs, barlow, and box are worth around $1500 used. That leaves $8K, or $1K for each eyepiece - about $300 over current market value. So the full kit is $2K+ over what they would fetch separately - but there is definitely some added value of finding these all together in one kit. I'm sure the seller could get $8K+.

Again though I don't see using 4mm or even 6mm orthos for binoviewing (Sergio maybe you can share your experiences in this). A more sensible idea is to get one pair of 16mm ZAO-IIs and Glasspath your way to higher power.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:35 AM

Johnny, I have been able to use the 6mm with good results one time. That night Mars was splendid, big and full of color and detail. As for the 4mm's they are usually too much power for my dob. Also, when you insert them into the Mark Vs, they sit really low against the eyepiece collets. This makes it uncomfortable to get close to them because my nose gets in the way. I have been thinking about getting extensions so that they stick out a bit more. I think that the 4mm's will be really nice with a large refractor. My friend should be getting his 175mm AP next week sometime and I will test it then.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

Hmmm... just thought about that, 175mm AP, Mark Vs and ZAO IIs, me oh me oh my!!!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:02 AM

Why don't you try it on yer FS102? With the 4mm ZAO-II you'd have 200X and .5 exit pupil.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

Hmmm... just thought about that, 175mm AP, Mark Vs and ZAO IIs, me oh me oh my!!!


You shouldn't be disappointed. I've been using that combination on Jupiter since the scope arrived and have been happy with it. I've used the MkV with the 4 and 6 ZAO's and had no problems (assuming the seeing and scope support the magnification), the MkV prisms are accurate enough that there are no obvious aberrations I have noticed. I only use the 1.25 GPC, I'd much rather change eyepieces or add the Barcon than change the GPC to obtain higher magnification. Use the 4's with an inexpensive binoviewer and it is easy to see the aberrations introduced by their prisms.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:48 AM

Thanks Gus, that's quite a testament to the quality of the Mark Vs. I may have to revise my prejudice against sub-9mm binoviewing. :grin: Truthfully though I like a little more eye relief.

I see there is a 4mm ZAO-II on the other site for $570, that seems like a nice deal.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:18 AM


I remember the same setup, same exact pics, on the other site a few months ago for $11,000. So the price dropped $1500, and some of language in the ad changed I think.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

Thanks Gus, that's quite a testament to the quality of the Mark Vs. I may have to revise my prejudice against sub-9mm binoviewing. :grin: Truthfully though I like a little more eye relief.


So do I. For that reason I usually use Radians or t6 Naglers in the short focal length range, more comfortable to use.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

Just a note - the 4mm on the other site is a ZAO I - still a great price and I am surprised it is still available.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

Why don't you try it on yer FS102? With the 4mm ZAO-II you'd have 200X and .5 exit pupil.


I don't have the FS-102 on a motorized mount. Keeping it in the FOV manually is a pain in the butt. I ordered one of the new motorized Nova Hitch mounts so when I get that, I will be able to do it comfortably with the FS-102. :grin:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

Hmmm... just thought about that, 175mm AP, Mark Vs and ZAO IIs, me oh me oh my!!!


You shouldn't be disappointed. I've been using that combination on Jupiter since the scope arrived and have been happy with it. I've used the MkV with the 4 and 6 ZAO's and had no problems (assuming the seeing and scope support the magnification), the MkV prisms are accurate enough that there are no obvious aberrations I have noticed. I only use the 1.25 GPC, I'd much rather change eyepieces or add the Barcon than change the GPC to obtain higher magnification. Use the 4's with an inexpensive binoviewer and it is easy to see the aberrations introduced by their prisms.


Not disappointed at all, in actuality, I am really excited and looking forward to it. I purchased the ZAO IIs with the intention of someday getting a large high quality refractor to use them with. While I am not in the position to purchase such a refractor yet, at least I have a friend is getting one but doesn't not have ZAOs or a Mark V. Maybe in the future I will get the 12" bino apo that Markus is selling, that would be the perfect compliment to the ZAO IIs. :grin:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:45 PM

I had extraordinary views of the Moon especially, and Jupiter with my FS102NSV and MkVs at 200X using my DM6, with no problem tracking manually. It actually takes over a minute for Jupiter to drift through the FOV at 200X even with a ZAO-II. I still regularly take my FS152 out in the backyard with the same setup. :cool:

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

"She who must be obeyed" :lol:


:lol: :roflmao:

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:36 AM

I agree. The MkVs, barlow, and box are worth around $1500 used. That leaves $8K, or $1K for each eyepiece - about $300 over current market value. So the full kit is $2K+ over what they would fetch separately - but there is definitely some added value of finding these all together in one kit. I'm sure the seller could get $8K+.

Again though I don't see using 4mm or even 6mm orthos for binoviewing (Sergio maybe you can share your experiences in this). A more sensible idea is to get one pair of 16mm ZAO-IIs and Glasspath your way to higher power.


The last single set of them went for $4250 on auction. Not saying they should bring that much but a full set will become more and more difficult to find as time goes on. The Baader Mark V goes for $1785 and the Zeiss Abbe Barlow goes for $489.

That would total $10,774.00. The $9,500 isn't all that outrageous if someone really wants a set of them.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

I'm thoroughly convinced the Leica zooms (either version) are the way to go for binoviewing over these ZAO's for the same top-notch performance, but some will have to have the reputed best of the best. I think sticking the eyepieces in a binoviewer and the predominant seeing conditions level the playing field for these two great marvels, where as used in mono-mode, a difference may be realized.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:15 PM

I'm thoroughly convinced the Leica zooms (either version) are the way to go for binoviewing over these ZAO's for the same top-notch performance


Yes, but one must also consider the 59mm body diameter of the Leica ASPH Zoom, which, in combination with the square-shaped upper end, might cause nose clearance and/or IPD problems.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

Not so with the Vario Zoom...only 52mm.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Something to consider. Any 4mm ortho, Zeiss Abbe II or whatever, has so little eye relief that your eye is basically touching the eye lens to see the field stop. I know, I have a 4mm volcano top from Kokasi Kohi (sp?). And what exactly is the point of a 16mm ZAOII or any other ortho? Wide fields with a 45 deg. field of view?

So in my mind the 6mm and 10 mm ZAO II orthos are probably great for high contrast viewing of planets, the moon, etc. But when you buy the set, you're really only getting two useful eyepieces.

Just my $0.02.






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