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#1 REC

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

Looking out the window and at 6pm. and it's still light out! A month ago I was out observing at this time....oh well still better at 7pm then when when daylight savings time comes in early March!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

daylight savings time



Thanks for spoiling my day! :lol:

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

Yes, Sunday March 10th will suck! Especially since the weather this winter hasn't allowed me to be out at all!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

Think of all the wear and tear we've saved our scopes!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

Just one more advantage for Arizona which doesn't switch to DST :cool:

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:40 AM

DST doesn't bother me one bit. The lack of sleep does!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:12 AM

It'll be back to "Weekend Observatory" time again.....think we had one or two of those total last year........

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:33 AM

daylight savings time



Thanks for spoiling my day! :lol:


The older I get, the less I like DST. It's great for cycling home the long way after work. 15 years ago I would sometimes turn the 12 mile ride home into a 40 or 50 mile ride but these days, just riding at all represents a victory.

It seems like it takes a couple of weeks to adjust to DST... And for you folks up north... Summer observing might not get started until near midnight. :(

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:33 AM

Summer observing might not get started until near midnight.



That's true Jon; makes for a very long day, or very short nights of sleep. Plus it starts breaking daylight around 4am. :(

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

I noticed today that its become lighter, Eeek, the winter nights are speeding by with barely any nights I get to take advantage of the early dark skies, sobb.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

Why can't we vote on DST? I hate it. The summer nights get progressively longer as we move from Spring into Summer. We don't need it! :flame: By the time you wait for twilight to fade into truly black skies, it is getting late, and pushing into the early morning after just a few hours of viewing.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

Looking out the window and at 6pm. and it's still light out!


Hey, count your blessings. As long as I can start observing shortly after supper, I'm happy. And that will remain true well into February.

In fact, I'm delighted to be able to bicycle home without using a headlight at 5 p.m.

As for daylight-saving time: Yes, it's a pain. But the real pain is the fact that the nights get so short, which is totally beyond human control.

I always dread April and May, when the nights get really short and the biting insects come out in force. What a combo!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:22 PM

They should start DST April 1st. and end it Oct.1st. it is way too long! Who started this thing anyway, they don't have it anywhere else on the globe do they?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:31 AM

At the North Pole (spent a year there with the military), we just split it evenly between daylight 24/7 for a couple of months in the summer, and total darkness 24/7 for a couple of months in the winter (don't it figure, the best viewing time is also the worst weather time) ..... :lol: I never saw skies so dark in my life....probably never will again either....and believe it or not, nobody had a scope.....

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

We did vote on having DST. In the Energy Policy Act of 2005 the House and Senate passed the bill that President Bush signed into law on the notion that DST saves 1% of energy for the USA for each day of DST. We voted or should have voted our representatives and our Senators so thus we voted to extend DST. Now it would take people contacting them with a logical argument on why it shouldn't be in place. That or hope your state will take action and get rid of it.

On a note, with DST nights are shorter to observe but fortunately for me unless I go in the mountains after June 1st near water I don't have to fight the bugs too much. A benefit of mostly observing in the desert and high mountains away from water sources.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

Who started this thing anyway, they don't have it anywhere else on the globe do they?


As is so often the case, Wikipedia has an excellent article on the subject. Yes, as those of us with friends and relatives in Canada and Europe are well aware, daylight-saving time is the norm for countries in the temperate zones.

It's intriguing that in daylight-saving time is usually grossly asymmetric with respect to the length of the day. In the U.S. it starts just two weeks before the March equinox but continues six or seven weeks after the September equinox.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

That's because the vast majority of people like it.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:35 AM

That's because the vast majority of people like it.

Thats because the majority are brainwashed :)

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:39 AM

That's because the vast majority of people like it.


Not the case here; however, no matter how many oppose it, DST will remain. It wasn't quite as bad, until they lengthened the period of it! It's much too long now. I wish they would either have it year around, or not at all.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

I just spent 4 nights in Death Valley. I was able to do public outreach astronomy at about 6PM until 9PM under a quarter moon. I then took a 5 hour nap and did a 2nd 2 hour moonless session after the whole campground was asleep. It's much too far away but I would love to go to the WSP in the keys. It would be lovely to have so many dark hours at a star party.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:19 PM

On a note, with DST nights are shorter to observe...


? They are? Are not the nights the same length irreguardless of what we set our clocks to. The only thing that changes the length of night time is the season of the year. Now that I am retired, I do not care which time they choose to use, I just wish they would keep the same time all year long. It does not mater if it is daylight savings time or standard time, just pick one and do it all year.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

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Retirement is wonderful, I worked a job that used a 12.5 hr. work day and rotated between day and night shift 6 times over a 4week period. I sure they worked that schedule to making it rarely possible for the younger workers to be able to survive to retirement age and benefits. What a pleasure it is to be available to take a look at the sky day or night with only the weather gods to worry about.It surely made this hobby a whole new experience for me.Shorter hours of day light are far better than longer nights of clouds and temps of -10 and clear sky, as I'm dealing with now. As far as DST I don't care which they use I just wish they would choose 1 and stick to it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:58 PM

That's because the vast majority of people like it.


This is, sadly, quite true. Although we astronomers, especially those of us not retired, generally do not like it, I work with a guy whose kids are baseball players. They love it; and I am certain their average game draws far more people, with rare eclipse, occultation, or historic Mars opposition exceptions, than our clubs star parties. They're not brainwashed, they just don't have the fire in their belly for the night sky and prefer sports or other outdoor endeavors that are enhanced by more sunlight in the evenings.

This puts us, pure and simple, in the minority. Look, folks, if I thought we could vote our way out of the whole DST mess, I'd be all for petitions demanding so, but I'm afraid we'd be solidly trounced at the polls. More people prefer DST than despise it like us.

Still, personally, I'd be for a 30 minute year-long, national shift forward (at this writing in January) for the sake of getting more time in the Summer, while altogether doing away with the national disrupt your cycadian rhythm DST makes everyone suffer thru for 2 weeks. Just silly this spring forward fall back nonsense. GMT-0:30 across all time zones -- forever. We astronomers would ultimately benefit, cause more of the year would be screwed up less (even tho the winter would be screwed up slightly more). But I'm afraid this plague upon our house clocks is here to stay. Might as well make the best of our bad situation, and GMT-0:30 is it. Arizona would be upset, but everyone else would be spared a lot of pointless sleep interruption.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:10 PM

And the sun will never cross the meridian at noon! :bawling:

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:20 PM

Who started this thing anyway, they don't have it anywhere else on the globe do they?


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