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#51 howard929

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:25 PM

I was going to order a 7XW, and was surprised to find out that many vendors are sold out--and don't know if anymore are going to be available.


Did you try Adorama?


Right you are, they have the 7mm XW for $299 as well. Maybe it's not such a big deal but I'd swear they were $270 about a month ago.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

Now Adorama has five XW 5's available on eBay. I might click that "Buy It Now" button very soon ...

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:50 PM

I was going to order a 7XW, and was surprised to find out that many vendors are sold out--and don't know if anymore are going to be available.


Did you try Adorama?


Right you are, they have the 7mm XW for $299 as well. Maybe it's not such a big deal but I'd swear they were $270 about a month ago.


The 20 and 14mm tend to be cheaper and can be in the $270-290 range, but the 3.5-10 seem stuck at that $299 price. It's odd though, because I find the 20 and 14 going for $250-270 used a lot of the time, whereas the 3.5, 5, and even the 7 have come up for $200-250 used. Most people found them to be too much power and seemed to devalue them a lot more, marking them down so much.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

Devaluing an eyepiece because it is "too much power" is at least a little silly. Maybe some observers don't know about such things as exit pupil, power per inch, best magnification for the object and the seeing range for their area? :thinking: Yes, I guess that's possible. :grin:

On the other hand, I think I might understand why the 20mm and 14mm would be sold new at a lower price. For one thing, they show more field curvature. And maybe they are easier and less expensive to manufacture than the shorter focal length XW's.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

It's been awhile since I've seen any XW's offered used for around $200. Around $250 is more like it.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:58 PM

They are still in stores here in Tokyo but reduced in price, so it is well possible that they are faded out.
Currently priced around 280 US$.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

I'm selling my 7mm XW to whoever wants it.


























NOT !!! :rofl2:

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

LOL! Mark, I know how much you love that Pentax XW7, glad it's in good hands. :bow:

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

I want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
































NOT !!! But only because I already have one!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

Here is the price history for the 7mm on Amazon (you can also display their 3rd party vendors):

http://camelcamelcam...opes/product...

I bought mine used for $225 right before that creep to $200 started in February of 2012. :bawling:

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:41 AM

Hahaha, that reply was hilarious Mike. :lol:

Yes Hernando, I love it. I know from selling 2 before that I will never sell this one !!!

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 07:17 AM

t.r.,

My oh my... :foreheadslap: Here's the route I took if someone is looking for a short set (half) to save money...get a high quality 2" 2x barlow, pick up the 40, 30, 10 and 7...barlowed they provide 20, 15, 5 and 3.5 whilst avoiding the field curvature of the 20 and 14! ;) You end up with a complete virtual set! The 5 and 3.5 use barlow lenses in their native design anyways, so no harm using a quality barlow with these critical sizes.


Recently I've gone the opposite route. I've sold off all my Barlows except for a 1.9x Burgess OCA, the lens cell from a 1.25" 2x Barlow that I use as a 3x OCA, the lens cell from a 2" 2x Barlow that I screw onto 2" eyepieces for 1.5x, and a 2x shorty that I will put up for sale soon. Mostly I use Barlows -actually their lens cells - as OCAs so my binoviewer will come to focus in my Newts.

Otherwise Barlows are a bother to me. I'd rather switch among eyepieces without a Barlow or just keep the Baader Zoom in the focuser.

But this is going a bit OT. A separate thread could be started on the advantages/disadvantages of Barlows, separate eyepieces or Zooms as the basis for an eyepiece set.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

B&H says that the XW 5 is "no longer available."

Pentax SMC XW 5mm Eyepiece (1.25")

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:26 AM

The 2oXW is on the Fed Ex truck to my house this morninig. It appears I got the last XW in any focal length in stock at Astronomics. It will slot in nicely with my 7XW, 10 Delos, 11ES, 13 Ethos, 16 Brandon and 24 Panoptic lineup with the 30ES and 48 Brandon for lower powers..

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 10:35 AM

As of today, Pentax's own website lists only 4 focal lengths of XW as available:
http://www.pentax.jp...e/xw/index.html
Those are the 4 focal lengths usable in the Pentax spotting scopes.
The 40, 30, 5, and 3.5 were outside the normal range for spotting scope use.
It may mean they are planning to confine XW availability to only those four focal lengths from now on.
Or it may mean those are the four focal lengths left.
It would be good to get an official statement, somehow.

It's also interesting the spotting scopes are not noted as coming with a Zoom, and the XL 8-24 zoom is not listed on the site. Likewise it's interesting the PF-100ED spotting scope, long-discontinued, is listed.

So I am not certain whether the website is up-to-date.

Their on-line Buy Now website shows more choices:
http://www.pentaxweb...ptics/eyepieces
But only the 5mm is "in stock". All the others are listed as out of stock.


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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:56 AM

Here is the price history for the 7mm on Amazon (you can also display their 3rd party vendors):

http://camelcamelcam...opes/product...

I bought mine used for $225 right before that creep to $200 started in February of 2012. :bawling:


Cool Website! Now, I can rationalize purchases to my wife... "Look honey the price history PROVES is was a good decision!" ;)

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:21 PM

I'll stick with my Delos'

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

Devaluing an eyepiece because it is "too much power" is at least a little silly. Maybe some observers don't know about such things as exit pupil, power per inch, best magnification for the object and the seeing range for their area?


Silly or not, my guess is that these would be SCT users... a very numerous (astronomical proportions? :tonofbricks:) population! When i dwelt among them, 9mm was about as low as i'd typically go- in a 10" F10 (~F11.2 with a diagonal ;)) that'd clock in at ~316x & 0.8mm ExP... about the limits of the atmo most nites, and probably the optics as well.

OTOH, a 7mm XW would crank out ~325x in the average 8" SCT, similarly outfitted... yet at an ExP of ~0.6mm!

Now, i wonder if the FC in the XW-14 & 20 is of the same value as that of the SCT optical system, or opposite sign? If same, the 14-XW might be nearly intolerable to most... yet if of opposite sign, might make a sweet arrangement, indeed!
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

As of today, Pentax's own website lists only 4 focal lengths of XW as available:
http://www.pentax.jp...e/xw/index.html
Those are the 4 focal lengths usable in the Pentax spotting scopes.
The 40, 30, 5, and 3.5 were outside the normal range for spotting scope use.
It may mean they are planning to confine XW availability to only those four focal lengths from now on.
Or it may mean those are the four focal lengths left.
It would be good to get an official statement, somehow.

It's also interesting the spotting scopes are not noted as coming with a Zoom, and the XL 8-24 zoom is not listed on the site. Likewise it's interesting the PF-100ED spotting scope, long-discontinued, is listed.

So I am not certain whether the website is up-to-date.

Their on-line Buy Now website shows more choices:
http://www.pentaxweb...ptics/eyepieces
But only the 5mm is "in stock". All the others are listed as out of stock.


Running that first link with only 4 XW's listed through the Internet Archive, shows that there have only been those 4 XW's listed since as far back as April 8th of 2012 (oldest listing archived), so I don't think that page is being updated. But the fact that all the 1.25" XW's are still listed on the webstore and available from backorder is a good sign.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

All I get is a status that says "Availability: Out of Stock".
Where do you see they are back-orderable?

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

I want a used 30mm :watching:

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

All I get is a status that says "Availability: Out of Stock".
Where do you see they are back-orderable?


I do see that when you add to your cart, it does say 'Out of stock'. But on the individual product page for each EP, like here, it says:

Available for backorder
Ships within 10 business days

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

I just got off the line with Pentax USA (chat). They also said the XW line is being discontinued. No word from Japan HQ if a new line will be produced to replace. :bawling: ...luckily I've got them all excepting the 30mm. :D

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

Well if the elusive used 30mm XW doesn't materialize, That last new XW 30mm may still be available in the UK (see my earlier post). Ya gotta pay to play but even at about $600, it's still cheaper than the 31 Terminagler. Ya don't want to be feelin ya missed it later :bangbangbang:

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:13 PM

That price is outside of my comfort zone unfortunately.






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