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#1 Paco_Grande

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

From the Teaching Company. I purchased and am downloading the "Our Night Sky" lecture tonight. Just in case someone else is interested.

I've seen one entire lecture on video from this company prior to this. It was Bart Ehrman lecture and it was a very nice production.

http://www.shopgreat...px?s=820&ps=910

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:51 AM

Thanks!

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

A few years ago I purchased a college level lecture series on Astronomy from this company and found it very dry and boring and far from college level. I wouldn't even consider passing on to fellow observer, so I just trashed it. I am glad that some of their courses are worth the price. I just wish getting off their catalog mailing list was as easy as tossing their course was.
Sorry to be so negative but I was very disappointed.
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#4 Paco_Grande

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

This one is targeted for undergrads and as an Intro course, so it's not going to be highly technical. More of a survey course or a night course for adults.

What's dry and boring for one is fascinating to another.

Have you tried calling them to remove you from their mailing list?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:12 PM

True, I may expect too much for the subject matter, but as far as calling to remove my name from their mailing list; the pleasure I get from dropping the unread flyer in the waste bin and knowing they have wasted a little of their advertising budget, like I wasted a bit of my astronomy budget somehow justified.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

Too bad Cosmos (Carl Sagan)hasn't been updated. Took that course in the late 80s. Best course I ever took, lost the book in a move long ago. Really beautiful book.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

Net Flix does offer a lightly updated "Cosmos" Carl Sagan's wife does a brief prolog.The series does hold up well. I think partly because he deals with the history of astronomy and takes the viewer along for a "personal journey" of discovery. I don't think anyone in the astronomy community has left as much of an appreciation of the cosmos as Dr. Sagan has.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

I too found “Cosmos” on Netflix and it is true it’s still such a pleasure to watch, Carl Sagan is for sure an icon.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:33 PM

True, I may expect too much for the subject matter, but as far as calling to remove my name from their mailing list; the pleasure I get from dropping the unread flyer in the waste bin and knowing they have wasted a little of their advertising budget, like I wasted a bit of my astronomy budget somehow justified.

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It's a fair to be critical! How else can we learn? Your comments made me think deeper - thanks!

I've watched a snippet here and there of this particular set and it really is a pretty basic intro to the night sky, at least the first few lectures. Later on he brings in historical information that is, for sure, not something any newbie will know - at least not me :D . So, it's a mix for sure. Maybe good for the newbie and for the newbie with some experience, fast forward to the more meaty stuff?

I'm of the mind that if I can pick up a few tidbits, then I'm happy. :)

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 02:53 AM

I have watched over 70 DVD courses by The Teaching Company over the years. The one on Cosmology is pretty good.

Watching all the DVDs really changed the way I view the world. If you've seen the movie Limitless, it is like taking the smart pill, except for that part about dying if you stop. I guess, I haven't stopped watching.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:53 AM

I do have to admit, no college course affected me more then when I took "Cosmos" (Yep, that one) in college in the late 80s. Talk about a course that made you stop and think....oddly enough, it was listed under the "Psychology" area and not in Physics or Natural Science areas. I consider that course one of the highlights of my life. It is truely sad that we lost Carl......

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

Thank you, much appreciated.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 12:21 PM

Cosmos is being remade.

http://www.nytimes.c...osmos-with-s...

It will be done by Neil deGrasse Tyson this time.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

Neil deGrasse Tyson, I like him, tends to be very entertaining and knowledgeable. I hope Dr. Tyson does not try to remake "Cosmos" I hope he makes his own version and leaves the Sagan "Cosmos" alone. Maybe he could call it "Today's Cosmos" that leaves the series continually unfinished as it should be. A few years down the road Dr. Brian Cox could do "Cosmos the Dark Side" A private journey
into madness.
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Posted 21 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

It will be interesting to see, considering Fox is the one doing it. If politics is left out, if science is accepted, and religion only mentioned as a historical reference; then maybe it'll be ok...

Agree with Grey, don't redo it. That would be like trying to remake "Gone With The Wind", just ain't going to go over well... But, a "Cosmos-The Next Generation" where the science and knowledge are updated would be fine. I would have no problem if they referenced "Cosmos", especially in areas where science has proved/disproved theories/areas covered in "Cosmos". But, "Cosmos 2.0", nah, ain't interested.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:00 PM

It will be interesting to see, considering Fox is the one doing it. If politics is left out, if science is accepted, and religion only mentioned as a historical reference; then maybe it'll be ok...


Both the producer, Seth McFarlane (Family Guy), and Neil deGrasse Tyson (physicist) are atheists. I think we're OK on the religion front.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

Tyson will have to hit on much of the same material. But Tyson is a new voice for a new generation. Young people of today will listen to Tyson. I can't imagine the typical young person of today wanting to listen to Sagan. If it is a re-do, then you'll know you were not the target market. :)


A few years down the road Dr. Brian Cox could do "Cosmos the Dark Side" A private journey into madness.



:lol: :funny:

I think Brian Cox is a cool daddy-o. In fact, if I were to give credit to anyone for getting me interested in astronomy, it's him. :banjodance:

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 01:51 PM

It will be interesting to see, considering Fox is the one doing it. If politics is left out, if science is accepted, and religion only mentioned as a historical reference; then maybe it'll be ok...


Both the producer, Seth McFarlane (Family Guy), and Neil deGrasse Tyson (physicist) are atheists. I think we're OK on the religion front.


Atheists, of course, being the best authorities in matters both of science and religion . . . :tonofbricks:

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 02:57 PM

The last few nights on Netflix, I have been watching a 2007 version called "The Cosmos: A Beginner's Guide",,,,,
Also been watching "Nova, Science now", At least a few good episodes with some astronomy, and it is hosted by "Neil deGrasse Tyson"....

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:23 PM

Everytime I rent astro DVDs , they just sit there cuz I'd rather read... just sharing. Will check out the links posted. I'm mad at Tyson...I'm sure he's all torn up about it.. wish the scientists would stick to science and leave personal beliefs out of it.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

It will be interesting to see, considering Fox is the one doing it. If politics is left out, if science is accepted, and religion only mentioned as a historical reference; then maybe it'll be ok...




Both the producer, Seth McFarlane (Family Guy), and Neil deGrasse Tyson (physicist) are atheists. I think we're OK on the religion front.


Atheists, of course, being the best authorities in matters both of science and religion . . . :tonofbricks:



Really..

#22 Paco_Grande

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

...wish the scientists would stick to science and leave personal beliefs out of it.


We have to cut them some slack on this. These scientists, such as Tyson, Krauss, Dawkins, or Cox - those who often speak in public - they are always pressed to explain their belief. I'm sure they grow weary of being asked and try to side step it, then finally give in and answer. They just can't win either way... Einstein expressed his beliefs very clearly, and even to this day people completely distort what he said. It's bizarre.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 09:52 PM

I got a kick out of Higgs insulting Dawkins presentation style, hee hee. Cox is so gorgeous he can anything. Tyson contradicts himself... saying he feels a part of the universe in one video, the most amazing fact .... then says in another video - face it, we're nothing.

I like the title of this thread... you took the words right out of my mouth.. I just told my girlfriend this was a life time deal... she was saying she feels stupid - reading her astro book. She just bought a scope. yep.

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

...Tyson contradicts himself... saying he feels a part of the universe in one video, the most amazing fact .... then says in another video - face it, we're nothing.


I think the contradiction is saying something important. It's the nature of knowledge: the more one knows, the more one realizes how little one knows.

Lao Tzu put it something like this: He who says he knows, doesn't. He who says he doesn't know, knows.

There are a number of signs that point to wisdom. One is the realization: "I don't know anything."

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 10:25 PM

...she was saying she feels stupid - reading her astro book.


BTW, tell your girlfriend she's a wise lady. :)






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