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#1 Ira

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Little OOOPPPSSSS on reproduction. They died out on the way.

http://news.cnet.com...-dangerous-s...

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:40 PM

Little OOOPPPSSSS on reproduction. They died out on the way.
http://news.cnet.com...-dangerous-s...
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Ahh, add another to the myriad answers to the Fermi-Hart question.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

Of course, if they really did master interstellar space flight, they probably already solved this little problem along the way. But still...

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:01 PM

What makes you think they're not here?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:33 PM

Men in Black, right?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:48 AM

Of course, if they really did master interstellar space flight, they probably already solved this little problem along the way. But still...

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Blimey - that would look great on my birth certificate...

Place of Birth - interstellar space :grin:

#7 Ira

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

"Second star to the right and straight on 'till morning."

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:07 PM

I think one of "them" lives down the street from me.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

I think one of "them" lives down the street from me.


Hey... Wait, I live down the street from you.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 09:32 PM

I just wonder "they", while en route, address the most pressing question of all...

"Are we there yet?"
"Are we there yet?"

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:22 AM

And, "Can we stop? I gotta go to the bathroom."
Just added 10 light years to the travel time.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:42 AM

The most reasonable explanation is that we have not crossed paths within historical memory due to the geometries of scale of the universe.

There are two other options which are less likely, but possible. The first is that there is no (or very little) extra-terrestrial sentience in the universe. The second is that they are here or have been here or both and for altruistic reasons (i.e. anonymous helpfulness) choose not to make themselves detectable.

These, and other very interesting and informative options have been discussed in the thread The Silence is Deafening.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:51 AM

And, "Can we stop? I gotta go to the bathroom."
Just added 10 light years to the travel time.

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Don't forget, "Mommy, Togg just threw up!"

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:14 PM

They're probably wondering why we're not there yet. Maybe we don't exist?

That would explain a lot...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 02:57 PM

The most reasonable explanation is that we have not crossed paths within historical memory due to the geometries of scale of the universe.
Otto

Time being the big one, even if there are "dudes sportin' round the verse", it's only a few hunderd measly million years separating us from T-rex...don't see those running around either.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:05 PM

The most reasonable explanation is that we have not crossed paths within historical memory due to the geometries of scale of the universe.
Otto

Time being the big one, even if there are "dudes sportin' round the verse", it's only a few hunderd measly million years separating us from T-rex...don't see those running around either.


They left to go see "Them".

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:48 PM

maybe we are the first life forms to achieve this state of being and tech.
Maybe they have observed the way we handled finding new lands/people in our past or our tendency towards violence and decided it's not worth the risk.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:59 AM

"Why" isn't Occam's Razor applied to the answers to this Q?

The geometries of scale answer is the simplest and most elegant.

all the others require a huge amount of speculation on science we don't understand yet (and won't for some time) and anthropomorphize(ing) of aliens and some stolen plots from sci-fi.

BIG universe, puny humans..

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:19 AM

It has been. The scale issue has come up in every thread on this topic. Occam has shaved it bald.

The problem is bald Occam is boring. It's more fun to hang out with mullet Occam, and think up hairy scenarios.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:24 PM




Zex in Space... Next question.. :question:

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:13 PM

"Why" isn't Occam's Razor applied to the answers to this Q?

The geometries of scale answer is the simplest and most elegant.

all the others require a huge amount of speculation on science we don't understand yet (and won't for some time) and anthropomorphize(ing) of aliens and some stolen plots from sci-fi.

BIG universe, puny humans..


The problem with this thinking is in our hubris we think we are the end of evolution instead of just another step.

Scale is dependent on TWO things: Lifespan and distance. Two planets 500 light years apart is beyond humans ability to travel at practical velocities. However these same velocities and the trip itself my be trivial to a lifeform that can live 100,000 years.

Or, to put another way, to a fly that lives one day a journey to the end of the block takes a lifetime yet to us humans it is merely a short jaunt.

Everything is relative....

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#22 Ira

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 05:38 AM

Indeed, if the "Singularity" ever arrives, time will become irrelevant. As long as it doesn't take Forever, it will be doable.

But in that case, "Why aren't they here?" Because the Singularity never arrived.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:00 AM

That's the thing with singularities and asymptotes - no matter how far you go, you never quite get there.

They keep you waiting longer than Heinz ketchup...

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

But in that case, "Why aren't they here?" Because the Singularity never arrived.


The trouble is we don't know what 'They' is yet.

Would we stop and introduce ourselves to a planet full of Dinosaurs?

Pesse (To an Alien we are, perhaps, two steps below contemp.) Misr

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

It has been. The scale issue has come up in every thread on this topic. Occam has shaved it bald.

The problem is bald Occam is boring. It's more fun to hang out with mullet Occam, and think up hairy scenarios.

:john:

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