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#1 galaxy_jason

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:05 PM

It would be nice to get some good seeing in North Texas/SE Oklahoma, the seeing monitor of the Clear Sky Clock has been light blue to white for months.

Anyway, took the 14" LX850 to the TAS dark sky site last Wednesday. 100, 30, 30, 30 minutes LRGB, 10 minute subs.
A little soft but not too bad..

http://galaxyphoto.c...e_lx850_m81.jpg

#2 David Pavlich

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:21 PM

Nice work, Jason! Holmberg IX is looking good as well.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:36 PM

Fantastic image Jason!

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 09:43 PM

Nothing mediocre about that picture.

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:35 PM

ridiculously cool man....congrats

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 07:34 AM

Jason, I have the 14" on its way, is yours a production LX850 OTA, a beta LX850 OTA or the original LX800 OTA ?

And, yes, fantastic image...

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:08 AM

Tony it's a prototype, the first 14 with mirror lock but it should be similar to production

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:08 AM

Excellent Jason!

#9 Lee Jay

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

Is it my imagination or do the tracking and collimation appear to be perfect?

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

It would be nice to get some good seeing in North Texas/SE Oklahoma, the seeing monitor of the Clear Sky Clock has been light blue to white for months.

Anyway, took the 14" LX850 to the TAS dark sky site last Wednesday. 100, 30, 30, 30 minutes LRGB, 10 minute subs.
A little soft but not too bad..

http://galaxyphoto.c...e_lx850_m81.jpg


Great image no doubt. Nobody can doubt Jason's talent.

No way to know however if he used an OAG or really used Starlock. If he did use Starlock, how long did he have to tweak and fiddle with the settings to get it right. How long do those settings last before needing to be tweaked again.
No way to know how many bad subs he had to throw out due to tracking errors.
So as I'v said in the past, while I don't doubt Jason's abilities at all, I do doubt how he arrives at the final image. Can the LX850 produce the image he has shown here, and his previous horse head, YES! I believe it can. My criticism is that we don't know how much easier it was due to the LX850. His response in the other thread leads me to believe that he has abandoned the built in features that are supposed to make this mount different than all the others.
Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:05 AM

Pak,

Really? Jason has been pretty up front with what he's doing. He posted on Facebook that he used Starlock if that helps assuage your fears that he's just making things up.

Honestly, do we know what people do to their final images anyways? Most people don't post their work flows, whether they shrunk the stars or used some type of morphological transformation to correct bad tracking.

He produced a good image at a tough image scale from a new mount.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.


Right, you know that the Mach1GTO has no chance to carry a 14" scope and its accessories.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:34 AM

Pak,

Really? Jason has been pretty up front with what he's doing. He posted on Facebook that he used Starlock if that helps assuage your fears that he's just making things up.

Honestly, do we know what people do to their final images anyways? Most people don't post their work flows, whether they shrunk the stars or used some type of morphological transformation to correct bad tracking.

He produced a good image at a tough image scale from a new mount.


The point I am trying to make is that the LX850 is marketed and advertised as being able to reduce the frustration involved with beginning AP by including automatic or semi-automatic mechanisms to achieve results that others spend a lengthy time to achieve. Since Jason is an expert, the results he can and will achieve are automatically better than the results I can achieve. That goes without saying. So when he posts those images I have no way of knowing how he got there. Where did the mount fail, where did it excel? Where did the mount make things easier and faster and where did it not? These questions have not been answered. People need to understand that it is unlikely that they will be able to buy an LX850, put it all together and 30 minutes later start imaging with results that meet or exceed the expectations that this thread promises. Jason is probably a swell guy but he is a Meade insider and long time beta tester. Obviously Meade treats him well and in return I am sure he treats Meade well.

Caution is my recommendation. Let not everyone rush to place their orders based upon Jason's posts but instead wait a bit to see what real end users report.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 11:37 AM

Since the LX850 is a Mach1GTO look-a-like, why not just buy a Mach1GTO? At least you KNOW what you are getting and how well it will perform.


Right, you know that the Mach1GTO has no chance to carry a 14" scope and its accessories.


Right, and I am not sure the LX850 does either. We will know more when Tony gets his set up and reports back. That is a LOT of weight on that mount. Do you not recall what happend on the LX80? Good for *half* of its advertised carrying capacity. Again, I recommend caution. Lets wait and see.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:18 PM

Pak,

Were all adults here, and we really dont need you to give us more "let's wait and see" troll posts. Most of us have been following these LX800/850 posts from the very beginning, and are more than able to draw our own conclusions.

Why not go back to wherever you came from, with your Nike shoes and canteen full of cool-aid.

You are in no way being helpful.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:22 PM

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

:goodjob:+1

#18 Pak

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

Guys Pan-STARRS is not Hale Bopp. There is no space ship with the Meade logo coming to take you someplace better. The more people show up to blindly defend Meade the more my point is proven.

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#19 budman1961

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:10 PM

FYI Pak, there is no hyphen in Panstarrs....... Moreover, Koolaid is the proper spelling from your other valueless post.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:11 PM

These images were taken with a prototype, I think it is prudent to see what a real production unit can do, don't you?

If they all work as well as this one, then Meade has made a great comeback.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 01:22 PM

I agree with blueman and I'll add that it is as important that their new equipment perform well out of the gate but it also needs to last all the way around the track. Can they do it? I for sure hope so. I have a lot of money tied up with Meade right now. While I have no loyalty to Meade and also own Celestron products (8" EdgeHD hopefully next week), I am feeling good about the LX850. Now I need Jason to come to California and teach me how to do that.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

Right, you know that the Mach1GTO has no chance to carry a 14" scope and its accessories.


This argument drives me crazy. Of course a Mach1 can carry a 14" SCT, without even breaking a sweat. Do you really think that Meade's manufacturing process is so superior to Astro-Physics, that they can somehow make a copy with more than twice the capacity of the original?

You need to take the manufacturer ratings with a grain of salt. Astro-Physics is very conservative about their ratings; Meade, not so much.

I have heard of people running Mach1's at over 100 lb with no problems.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

Guys Pan-STARRS is not Hale Bopp. There is no space ship with the Meade logo coming to take you someplace better. The more people show up to blindly defend Meade the more my point is proven.


What is it with Meade bashers?

My first two scopes were Celestrons. The first was so bad that it killed my interest in the hobby for 30 years. The second which I bought to replace the first was so bad I sent it back after a week. Then I bought my Meade and it was so great that it rekindled my love of the hobby. Does this make me a Celestron basher? Well I just sold my Meade to get something bigger and bought - you guessed it - a Celestron on a Skywatcher mount!

The point being that some past bad experiences with Meade (or other) equipment shouldn't make up your mind to be a basher of all of that company's equipment.

The fact is that this is a solid image of a not-so-easy target made with a Meade 14" scope on a Meade mount guided by a Meade guiding system.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 02:51 PM

Pak, I do not think that what you are saying is necessarily wrong. I think it is how you go about saying it.

When I get my 14" I could post fake images that say how great the mount is, or, for attention, I could post images that show it to be a piece of junk. But, we have to trust each other. I trust Jason because he appears to be a profession chap with a real interest in sharing info. If he violated that trust then we can step on his neck.

So, Pak, stay positive, even if you are skeptical. We will do the same...

Tony

P.S., Jason is not the only one who has posted great images with the LX850 mount. check out the link below:

http://www.meade4m.c...50-photography/

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

Gotta love how heated Meade threads become, regardless of whether there's success or failure.






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