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#1 Doc Willie

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:39 AM

Ouch.

http://www.universet...-nasa-outreach/

#2 Starhawk

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

We may yet see pi defined as 3.0

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

We may yet see pi defined as 3.0


Slightly OT, but check this numberphile youtube video How Pi was nearly changed to 3.2 - I've heard of it before, but never got the back story as to why/how it actually happened - as always there's $$ and politics involved :D iirc, pi=3 is an urban legend though ;)

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:12 PM

Very interesting!

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:14 PM

In my opinion, this is a knee-jerk reaction. Next, they will be cancelling White House tours.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:24 AM

On March 1, the operating budget for Grand Canyon National Park was cut by over $1.06 million. Personnel and maintenance/repair cuts have already begun being implemented. Our lead Interpretive Ranger for the Grand Canyon Star Party just got back to work from three furloughs since the end of the last GCSP. The majority of the staff support we access during GCSP will not be on staff this year. Seasonal employee hires for summer are cut, including our astronomy specialist at Desert View with whom I shared most of the constellation tours last year. Other cuts implemented:

Reduced hours at the park's main visitor center;

Longer lines at the entrance station;

Reduced visitor services, meaning fewer rangers to provide programs and to answer questions;

Scheduled and emergency repairs to buildings and park areas have been delayed or cancelled outright;

The reopening of some park roads have been delayed after recent snow damage;

Trails that closed because of damage from rock slides or weather will take longer to repair or permanently closed.

REAL budget cuts implemented in Federal law affecting REAL people. Many of the trained staff for the summer visitor season were NOT hired. Many of these cuts are NOT delays, these are terminations of activities.

The one area not affected is the financial support that we members of the Grand Canyon Association provide through membership fees and donations. We long-time supporters of GCSP will fill in for some of the missing direct support like setting up and taking down traffic control each evening and trying to answer visitor questions about park operations as well as cosmology. But that's only eight days. If budget gets restored, much of the trained seasonal staff will have moved on to other endeavors. GCSP will do just fine, but the regular visitor experience will be a different story.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:53 AM


And these cutbacks are the result of We the People feel the government must take care of us. The spring has run dry.

Reduce your wants and you won't be disappointed when nothing is there.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:37 AM

I disagree, but this is not the place for that discussion.

There is a petition to repeal this at:

https://petitions.wh...nasas-spendi...

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:12 PM

Or those who want the service but think its not for them to pay for it.
Nothing is free if you want a service you have to pay the taxes to maintain it.
It's how we got to the moon first.

And these cutbacks are the result of We the People feel the government must take care of us. The spring has run dry.

Reduce your wants and you won't be disappointed when nothing is there.



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Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:42 PM


This contemporary tragedy of the commons is full of partisan blame without any willingness to pay for greatness

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 03:12 PM

Although I would love to add my more the two cents' worth here, I will repeat, even though the topic wants to inspire it, THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THIS DISCUSSION.

We are gonna get "moderated" if it continues.

Start a thread elsewhere, and I will be glad to jump in.

#12 Darren Bly

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 06:16 PM

My astronomy club just lost our NASA speaker for the April meeting.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

(Checks outside) No, sky not falling . . .

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:28 AM

(Checks outside) No, sky not falling . . .

No, just little pieces of it coming down as liquid. Raining on our parade.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 01:33 PM

This is all very disturbing to me. But what confuses me is this: if the NPS has insufficient resources to maintain levels of staffing, maintenance and facilities at parks already in the system, why are they designating new parks and increasing resources for them? For example, Pinnacles National Monument just became a full blown National Park.

It makes no sense. If you can't administer and care for what you have already designated maybe rather than creating additional Parks we should be downgrading less traveled properties to Preserve or Monument status with commensurate lower personnel and facilities requirements in order to maintain full access and services at properties that are more visited. :shrug:

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

It's called overreach -- a common affliction of big government which tries to do everything poorly instead of doing the most important things well.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

And defining what are the most important things is an inherently subjective and political judgment that no one can take for granted, and whose definition is not allowed by the TOS of this site.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:22 PM

Meanwhile, widespread government waste and duplication, fraud, and many ridiculously stupid federal programs that cost millions of dollars; and THIS is one of the things they cut???! I just dont understand... :foreheadslap:

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

You mean like the lousy $35 million F-35 that they plan to buy 2500 of? Hey, if they bought just 10 fewer of those, they could actually improve and expand services at Yosemite, Yellowstone and Grand Canyon National Parks!

:grin:

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:00 PM

Yeah because improving the parks will help in case of war???

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:31 PM

I sympathize with those of you who suffer with terrible governments. Mine, too, does foolish things occasionally, but it has fostered much good. We (taxpayers) have visited the Moon, sent roving labs to Mars, deployed the Hubble telescope revolutionizing our understanding the universe, established social security and Medicare to enable seniors to live decently, cleaned up our air and water, eradicated polio, suppressed AIDS, explored the human genome, built highways across the land, helped to support generations of college students, set aside wondrous parks, and the list goes on. In short, we’ve thought and acted big.

As we supported these enterprises, we prospered. Alas, we have lately decided that the government that pulled us together to support these projects is our enemy. We’ve decided to think small. Who knows how this will turn out? Badly, I suspect. Certainly, future generations won’t get to share the moments and fruits of discovery that my generation has enjoyed…or share the pride in big jobs well done. Sad time.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:23 PM

I sympathize with those of you who suffer with terrible governments. Mine, too, does foolish things occasionally, but it has fostered much good. We (taxpayers) have visited the Moon, sent roving labs to Mars, deployed the Hubble telescope revolutionizing our understandings the universe, established social security and Medicare to enable seniors to live decently, cleaned up our air and water, eradicated polio, suppressed AIDS, explored the human genome, built highways across the land, helped to support generations of college students, set aside wondrous parks, and the list goes on. In short, we’ve thought and acted big.

As we supported these enterprises, we prospered. Alas, we have lately decided that the government that pulled us together to support these projects is our enemy. We’ve decided to think small. Who knows how this will turn out? Badly, I suspect. Certainly, future generations won’t get to share the moments and fruits of discovery that my generation has enjoyed…or share the pride in big jobs well done. Sad time.

Bill


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

:applause:

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:55 PM

Good grief, people, perspective, please . . . the cuts in question amount to approximately 2.6 percent of budget. No one anywhere is talking about closing down the whole shebang.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

We're smarter than that, and we aren't thinking about the sequester. We're thinking of something much broader, and, alas, ideological, hence undiscussable here.






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