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#1 Mkofski

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

I've been a supporter of the LX80 since I received mine last September. I guess I still am but my tripod failed last night. Talked to Meade customer support today and they are replacing it but I have to pay the return shipping. That may be normal but in this case I think they should have paid the shipping.

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#2 DuiA1

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:02 PM

Wow...that blows. That is a weak design. I'm really considering using the lx90 field tripod as a substitute...with an adapter. Sorry for your trouble Mike.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

Is it made of plastic?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:29 PM

Is it made of plastic?


Nope, metal. There have been 1 or 2 others that failed the same way. I know why it failed and won't do that again... When I was setting up I needed to turn the tripod slightly to get it pointing north. I didn't pick it up and rotate it but just pushed. Still, I don't think it should have broken. :bawling:

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:32 PM

Wow...that blows. That is a weak design. I'm really considering using the lx90 field tripod as a substitute...with an adapter. Sorry for your trouble Mike.


Thanks. Yes, it looks like a design problem. I think I'll get a pier set up. I think I can make one for under $100.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:33 PM

I wholeheartedly agree. Again, this looks like cast "white metal" which is extremely brittle under stress.

Are you covered under warranty?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

Yes, it is brittle... luckily it is till under warranty until September.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:25 PM

That is totally unsatisfactory. I was seriously considering saving for a LX80, but after seeing this, no way.....

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

Howdy Mike....

Hmmmmmm
I think i can relate to that !!
How about the mount ??
Was it attached at the time ?? OTA ??

Hopefully, no other damage.
When mine failed, and fell before my very eyes....
I know what you must have felt.

I am still certain that in the fall, the mount was damaged.
Not a problem, as in the end, the entire unit was returned for refund.

I know that Meade wanted my "plate" returned to be studied by engineering. I never did hear what (if anything) they found. Probably never well. I did talk to the guys at the Tucson astronomy event (Meade was there in force), and they were sort of "mum" on the subject.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:01 PM

David,

No damage to anything but the mount. I'm sure I contributed to the break because I was trying to rotate the entire set up a degree or 2 without picking it up so I was holding on to it when it failed. The rotational stress was just too much for the mount. I do,think it should be able to stand up to that type of use/abuse.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

That is totally unsatisfactory. I was seriously considering saving for a LX80, but after seeing this, no way.....


Cliff,

I received a call late today from Jose at Meade. His supervisor decided that they should pay for the return shipping. I would much rather that the tripod did not fail but Meade has decided to take care of it the way they should have.

I still think that it is a great mount for under $1000. If I'd had $2500 or more for a mount I guess I would have looked elsewhere.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:59 PM

I just need to ask.
Where is this unit made?
China ?
USA ?

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:24 PM

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:33 AM

It looks to me as if part of the problem is in the design.

The sharp corners where the tripod leg attachments connect to the top of the tripod will act as stress concentrators. The leg is braced against the top of the tripod as well so the probability of there being high stress in that area is great.

Where was it designed? Probably the USA.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:42 AM

I just need to ask.
Where is this unit made?
China ?
USA ?


Meade does not make anything in the U.S. any longer.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:04 AM


Where was it designed? Probably the USA.

Chris


Ya might wanna keep comments like that to yourself....

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:07 AM

I just need to ask.
Where is this unit made?
China ?
USA ?


Mexico: Manufacturing Facility

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:19 AM

Mexico: Manufacturing Facility


The higher-end stuff comes from Mexico but I'd be surprised to hear that the LX80 isn't purchased overseas like the other less expensive gear. The tripod head would surely be purchased from China (I doubt that Meade has a casting facility anywhere) even if the mount were assembled over here.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:34 AM


Where was it designed? Probably the USA.
Chris

Ya might wanna keep comments like that to yourself....

It looks like a poor design to me, for the reasons I stated, and so it seems just as relevant to consider where it was designed as well as where it was manufactured. If the location of either activity matters at all.

It might take nothing more than a modification to the mould to fix it, radius the sharp edges.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:44 AM


Where was it designed? Probably the USA.
Chris

Ya might wanna keep comments like that to yourself....

It looks like a poor design to me, for the reasons I stated, and so it seems just as relevant to consider where it was designed as well as where it was manufactured. If the location of either activity matters at all.

It might take nothing more than a modification to the mould to fix it, radius the sharp edges.


I think it was the assumption that it was designed in the USA was the objectionable part. I'd have to agree based on how it read to me. I assumed that the design was done in the US because Meade is located here not because of the inferior quality of the design.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:47 AM

I assumed that the design was done in the US because Meade is located here not because of the inferior quality of the design.


That is how I read Chris's comment.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:58 AM

Given how heavy the tripod is I would have expected more from it. I've done the same thing as you did with my CG5 using my overweight C9.25 with no problems. Which OTA did you have on it? David

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:07 AM

Cliff,

I received a call late today from Jose at Meade. His supervisor decided that they should pay for the return shipping. I would much rather that the tripod did not fail but Meade has decided to take care of it the way they should have.

I still think that it is a great mount for under $1000. If I'd had $2500 or more for a mount I guess I would have looked elsewhere.


Thank goodness for that. Making you pay return shipping would be silly. I would consider this a major problem at this point. One unit failing could be a fluke, but it is clearly no longer a fluke. I think that we all move our fully loaded units on occasion so you should not feel that you contributed to the problem in any way.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:11 AM

Mine, which I got in November, has a black hub, not gray. Is it possible that they have changed something since you got yours, perhaps because of the other failures? When you get your replacement, please let us know if it is black as well.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:18 AM

Jmax,

I received mine last September. As soon and I get the replacement I'll see if there are any obvious changes in the design.






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