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#1 FishInPercolator

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:46 PM

hard earned cash? $700 budget. 2 Naglers or 1 Ethos? :scratchhead:

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 10:52 PM

A used Ethos & good Barlow could net ya, effectively, TWO Ethoi! :ubetcha:

I have such an arrangement... a 13E, and actually TWO excellent Barlows- an AP 1.6x Barcon, plus an older UniversityOptics 2" 2x long-fellow... so essentially have three excellent 100* FLs to work with! :grin:

13mm..... ~9mm..... ~6mm
All acquired "used" for probably near your budget number.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:12 PM


two naglers. My eyes cannot take in more than about an 80* fov anyway.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 11:30 PM

How about 3 used Naglers? Not sure what FLs you are looking you should be able to pick up a combo such a 16T5, 11T6, and a 7T6 with that budget.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

Used T6s run $220 shipped. I prefer them to the 13 Ethos I've tried.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:03 AM

two naglers. My eyes cannot take in more than about an 80* fov anyway.


But there's far more advantage to the Ethos than mere field width. The higher contrast, extra detail and general quality of view are what the advantages of the Ethos are for me. I've directly compared the view through my Ethos and Naglers, matching focal lengths as closely as possible, and definitely see a difference in the favor of the Ethos compared to the Naglers. These comparisons were done using my TEC 140. In my SCTs, not the same level of advantage, but still there.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:09 AM

e. None of the above.

Used 30mm Pentax XW and the 10XW and a barlow

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:30 AM

hard earned cash? $700 budget. 2 Naglers or 1 Ethos? :scratchhead:


With what telescope are you going to be using these ? It may make a difference in the choice.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

Now I'm leaning toward the EdgeHD 800 again...

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:00 AM


two naglers. My eyes cannot take in more than about an 80* fov anyway.


But there's far more advantage to the Ethos than mere field width. The higher contrast, extra detail and general quality of view are what the advantages of the Ethos are for me. I've directly compared the view through my Ethos and Naglers, matching focal lengths as closely as possible, and definitely see a difference in the favor of the Ethos compared to the Naglers. These comparisons were done using my TEC 140. In my SCTs, not the same level of advantage, but still there.


I have noted this too.

But if that is the criterion, you can do even better with Delos.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:03 AM

While we are on the topic, I have a Neil Armstrong autograph I might be willing to trade for some pieces...

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

While we are on the topic, I have a Neil Armstrong autograph I might be willing to trade for some pieces... please refer to my post on the swap board:

http://www.cloudynig...rd=sseyepiec...


Oh and I thought the topic was 1-Ethos or 2-Naglers.
My mistake, sorry. :lol:
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:43 AM

1 Ethos and save for either a 2x Powermate or a 1.6x Antares Barlow.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

Why a barlow if one has the powermate?

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

An Ethos because you'll never stop wondering how the 100 would be if you settled on the 2 Naglers. Have several Naglers myself (5, 9, 12mm) but kept thinking about 100-deg. although not willing to pony up the $$$'s for the Ethos, so when the 100ES14mm came into the picture at a reasonable price, snapped one up. 100-deg is awesome!

Best,

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:21 AM

You're right... :)

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

The E's are fantastic eyepieces. But I need eye relief. I really like my Nagler Type 4's and my Pentaxes. My vote would be for the Naglers.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:32 AM

Why a barlow if one has the powermate?


The Antares 1.6x barlow works very well with the Ethos eyepieces and costs a lot less than a 2x Powermate. So I included it as an option in case the bulk of your $700 went on the Ethos :)

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 10:35 AM

Gotcha...

I think I want a 21mm Ethos...

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:25 PM

Well, there goes yer budget...
;)

You'll be a widefield-only junkie! :lol:
Until ya dredge up more payola... more glass awaits.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

The answer to that question is very personal. Some enjoy the Naglers most, others the Ethoi. And this thread provides ample proof for that :)

What scope would you use these eyepieces in? And for which objects under what sky conditions?

For medium to high magnifications, to see the maximum lunar and planetary detail, 2 eyepieces and a binoviewer work far better than any 1 eyepiece. That requires sets of 2 eyepieces in the 25-16mm range for my scopes. That leaves only one set of eyepieces available from the Nagler/Ethos series: the 16mm T 5 Nagler. Other TV's that work very well in a bino are the 19mm and 24mm Pan.

For low magnifications, maximum field of view and brightness, eyepieces with longish focal lengths used with 1 eye work best for me. In my scopes that means 20mm and longer focal lengths. The 21mm Ethos could do very well if you don't need lots of eye relief. Or the 20mm T5 Nagler. For more eye relief, the 22mm Nagler T4 is superb. For even lower magnifications, the 26 T5 and 31 T5 Naglers are both great eyepieces.

Goot luck with your choice!

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

EdgeHD 800...

I'm considering the following:

31mm Nagler
10, 14mm Delos
21mm Ethos
and PM 2x

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:55 PM

A used Ethos & good Barlow could net ya, effectively, TWO Ethoi! :ubetcha:

I have such an arrangement... a 13E, and actually TWO excellent Barlows- an AP 1.6x Barcon, plus an older UniversityOptics 2" 2x long-fellow... so essentially have three excellent 100* FLs to work with! :grin:

13mm..... ~9mm..... ~6mm
All acquired "used" for probably near your budget number.
;)


I like this suggestion and I can recommend it because it is what I have ;). However, instead of the AP Barcon I have the Antares 1.6x and for the 2x, I have the GSO ED 2x. They both play well with the 13 Ethos have the added benefit of slightly increasing the eye relief a bit.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:07 PM

Nada.

Go Pentax XW baby :bow:

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

Docter 12.5mm. Better than Nagler T4 field of view, same generous eye relief, Ethos quality view.

Keith :)






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