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#1 PeterDob

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:38 AM

I know that many of you like to draw the moon, especially when it's a small crescent or quarter when the shadows are a wonderful sight. But it's not really my cup of tea. So I had to wait until 1:00 AM until I could have a go at one of the many spectacular nebulae of the summer sky with my brand-new Baader OIII filter (grunt grunt... :D ). So here it is... NGC6960 or the o so delicate Western Veil.

Ciaooo!

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:25 AM

Peter,

Nice sketch of The Western Veil :).

CS,KLU,

:thanx:,

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:34 AM

You did a very detailed, and nice drawing of NGC-6960. At star parties and where the skies are dark enough, I see this nebula and the other main section of the Veil Nebula too this way through my 10 and 15-inch telescopes. I assume the bright star 52 Cygni looks blue because you were using a filter while making the drawing. Well done! :bow:

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:48 AM

Thanks Tom and Taras! I indeed used my brand-new Baader OIII filter for this drawing. It also made the sketch a whole lot easier because most of the stars disappeared... :D

Cheers,

Peter

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:14 PM

:drool: :waytogo:

Wowsers that is nice! It reminds me of when I was looking at the Veil on a cool mountain top at AHSP a few years back.

This is what I love about sketches.. it reminds me a memorable time and place where I saw the object. Photos just don't do that.

Thanks so much for sharing!
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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:18 PM

No, thank you, dear Jason, for these wonderful words. I believe you are 200% right. :D

Peter

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

Very nice sketch. I haven't had the nerve to attempt this one yet.Good job

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 02:59 PM

You should try, John. With an OIII filter it isn't all that hard since most of the stars will disappear in that almost overcrowded part of the sky.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

Nice sketch. I cannot sadly get too much of this object in my scope with the local conditions I have so nice to see a rendering from a decent site.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:59 PM

Peter,

This is wonderful!

Frank :0

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:48 AM

A high quality rendering! I note the prominent gap in the vicinity of 52 Cygni. I'm surprised no continuance of nebulosity was seen here, given the diminution of the star's glare by the narrow-band filter. I know I have no problem discerning a continuous ribbon of nebular light through the star with a filter, and even without a filter the impression is still one of an unbroken streak.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:58 AM

Pete,
I've been thinking about the Veil lately - at my dark-sky site it bobs up well enough to be seen with good clarity (a blessing of my southerly lattitude). Seeing this really fires me up to have a go at my small window of opportunity. What a great capture - so glad you had the perserverence for a late-night start! 1am ... now that's dedication the the artistic cause!

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:40 AM

So nice ! Very delicate result. I like the blue light that gives your sketch another dimension.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:06 AM

Why I wasn't there in Italy looking through the EP? Impressive stuff! Did whole the nebula fit in the FOV?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:33 PM

stunning beauty, thanks for sharing!

(you have a 3-vane spider in your beast?)

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:42 PM

Thank you so much, all of you! :D

@Glen: Yes, it's a bit strange but I couldn't see any nebulosity around 52 Cygni. Perhaps the star did make too much light with my 18" Dob, even with the OIII filter? Or perhaps I was impaired by my red torch to see the faintest details?...

@Jef: No, the outer edges disappeared behind the field stop. But it was pretty close. With my 36mm's I did get it (tightly) within the FOV but I preferred the view in my 24mm's.

@Ferenc: Yes indeed, I've got a 3-vane spider. :)

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:30 PM

This is a difficult object, what's the smallest aperture anyone here's ever seen it with? filtered or unfiltered

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:26 PM

Real great sketch. I love the vail, but I did not make ny detailed sketch.

> smallest aperture anyone here's ever seen it with?

9-cm-Mak with UHC filter.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:11 AM

This is a difficult object, what's the smallest aperture anyone here's ever seen it with? filtered or unfiltered


An unfiltered 7X35 binocular on a particularly magnificent night when right overhead. On otherwise decent nights, an unfiltered 10X50 just brings it in. The brighter eastern half is dead easy in the 10X50, and regularly seen in the 7X35.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:55 AM

Peter,
Wow a very lovely sketch. Just amazing the amount of detail. I love it.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:24 AM

hi all,
Peter:
when I see Your sketch I have a real feeling to view in an eyepiece ! I like the star colours too :D.
The Baader-OIII is a narrow Filter.
You need more aperture as with a Lumicon OIII or Astronomik but with 18" You make all right ;)!

Bye
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:59 AM

Many thanks, Ken and Christian. Indeed, an OIII filter is quite narrow. But for the Veil it is just perfect because it brings out every subtle detail. However I disagree that this filter should be reserved for larger telescopes. It only depends on "how" you use it and what for. Generally you should consider that for an OIII filter the maximum mag is about 8-10x the scope's aperture in inches. Obviously it also depends on the sort of objects because on small but bright planetaries you may push the mag even much higher. Now suppose you have a 4-inch fast refractor. It is perfectly possible to use the OIII at low mags and observe the Veil in its totality, or why not the North America nebula? ;)

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:27 PM

Very true Pete. The OIII would conceivably be fitting got a 25mm aperture if it existed so long as it applied to the 8-10x per inch of aperture. I find that's the ideal magnification but even 25x-30x per inch of aperture has proven effective. Its more striking at lower mags like the 8-10x RoT but its still helps on planetary NEB etc.

When these filters first came out done if the press or reviews rather wrongly peddled it as a larger aperture accessory. Then I went to a star party and saw the truth of the matter.

Good points Pete!

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