Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:52 PM
Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:10 PM
There is always the used market. You can sometimes find good deals on the Naglers. I've been officially cut off of AM and CN classifieds for a good amount of time. Was crazy addicted lately.
Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:11 PM
Life goes on. I enjoy my Naglers. They are the highest quality EP's I've owned to date. But admittedly, the sale of that Ultima set does haunt me to this day...until I place my 26T5 into the focuser.
Hang in there. Time heals wounds.
Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:24 PM
Same thing happened here, too. Haven't looked back, at least not yet. But i've gotta admit, the 17T4 is about the highest rated of the Naglers, T4 or otherwise. Some very special chemistry there... "immersion" is the term that comes to mind. Those two EPs have about the same net field- the 17T4 offers that cherished sense of immersion, whereas the 13E offers a clinically "better" view- higher magnification, and prob'ly more advanced coatings & design finesse. Yet it doesn't vanish from the experience & leave you floating in deep space, like the 17T4 can do.
I stopped using my 17mm Nagler when I got my 13mm Ethos.
At this point i'm still learning to use, enjoy, and appreciate the 13E & its benefits. To me, depending on what i'm viewing (15" Dob, 153x, 2.5mm Exp, 2/3 degree field), the 13E (+P/C ) could stay in the focuser all night! Was NEVER even tempted to try that with the 17T4. But i'm betting that's largely scope dependent?
Enjoy that 13E!
Posted 30 June 2013 - 10:38 PM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:00 AM
I have a feeling that people in this forum understand completely.
Yes, most of us do. Been there; done that - and still feel the remorse of selling a few.
I finally realized with all of my eye problems that I wasn't going to be using my ZAO-II any more, so I let them go. Yes, they were expensive paperweights, but I still miss them.
Most of my sales have been driven by scope sales. If I don't have the instrument to use the eyepiece, I usually swap around for eyepieces I need - especially if the eyepieces are still in production. I sold my 17T4, then picked up another one when I needed it. My 13 mm Ethos will never be sold (Christmas present from my wife).
I don't start worrying about them until they go out of production. Which explains my stash of CZJ, SPL, and the set of Pentax XW I picked up right after the tsunami.
Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:58 AM
You're in a heap o' trouble now...........
Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:12 AM
"hoarding " ( or collecting as many on these forums say).
Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:29 AM
Not me, once its gone, its gone.
I'm a bit more of a hoarder...
Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:39 AM
Eyepieces are tools. When I no longer need the tools or have acquired better tools, why should I feel any sentimentality toward the ones I've sold? The only problem is making sure I don't really need the eyepieces I sell and that the ones I'm keeping are clearly better than the ones I'm selling.
For instance, I have bino pairs of Paradigm 12mm and Brandon 12mm, BGO 18mm and LER 18mm. Which should I keep, which should I sell? There seems to be obvious redundancy, but each pair appears to present some objects better than the others. So I haven't sold any of them yet.
Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:58 AM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:07 PM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:32 PM
Nope, none at all.
And you don't get "Keeper's Remorse" then?
Let it grow!
My collection is fairly new so it would take me a while before I decide to sell anything.
<snip> All my eyepieces so far have a unique "flavor" even if they are the same focal length <snip>
True, for ex., here are some 6mm's in the collection:
Delos 6mm, Meade UWA82 6.7mm, TMB Planetary 6mm, BGO 6mm, Baader Classic Ortho 6mm
Yes, each and every one of them has its own unique "flavor" just waiting to be savored.
Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:35 PM
Although the Radian is a collectors item and has good eye relief....
Man, this EP keeping selling thing is hard
Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:45 PM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:19 PM
Ok, remorse is too strong of a word but I can't think of a better one. I stopped using my 17mm Nagler when I got my 13mm Ethos. I sold the 17mm because I didn't use it anymore. Now that I don't have it I wish I could use it! I don't know why.
I did exactly the same thing. Then after a couple of seasons of using Ethos I realized I really didn't like the 100 AFOV (it seems like a gimmick or fatiguing distraction now) and cursed myself for letting the 17T4 and 12T4 go.
But what to do? I have since replaced the 13 Ethos with a 14 Delos, which is better than Ethos ergonomically and contrast-wise. With the re-alignment of my eyepiece focal length progression, and 17 mm is now the "half step" between 22 mm and 14 mm.
Ethos was a bit sharper than the 17T4, but now Delos is better than Ethos and my rational brain tells me getting another 17T4 would be two steps back and a mistake born of nostalgia.
So, I opted for the compromise - I picked up a 22T4 since I know there will be no Delos at that length.
The only issue is I already have a 22 Panoptic. Using those two eyepieces head-to-head it has not been the slam-dunk I thought it would be with the 22 Pan holding up rather well in my f/8.5 AP refractor (and with considerably less weight). When I get the f/7 Newtonian online in the coming days the story may change. Just to be sure I'll spend the summer (and maybe the fall) comparing the two before one gets sold off. I don't want another case of sellers remorse!
Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:25 PM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:30 PM
Not so many years ago, my workhorse widefield eyepiece was a 32mm TeleVue widefield. Not the best in my fast scopes but it was what I had and together we had some wonderful times.
When I was finally able to purchase a used 35mm Panoptic, the difference in edge correction was quite apparent, the 35mm Panoptic was "obviously" the better eyepiece. When the opportunity presented itself, I passed the 32mm Widefield on to someone who would have good use for it but couldn't afford one.
However soon enough, I began missing the 32mm Widefield and when one appeared on Astromart as reasonable price, I bought it. In the meantime, I had also acquired a 31mm Nagler.
Now to some this might appear as an exercise in nostalgia or sentimentalism but it has nothing to do with such emotions. Rather is is simply the result of the awareness that there is more to an eyepiece than a widefield of view and a perfect edge. I enjoy viewing through the 32mm TV Widefield, it' virtues are what I call the "big easy view" a large field lens with the right amount of eye relief. Add in the fact that is about half the size and weight of the Nagler and the Panoptic, it's my favorite backyard 2 inch sweeper/finder.
Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:47 PM
While i seldom view at that FL, and already have a Meade 30mm UWA if & when i did, that 32mm WF has tempted me more than most to re-acquire.
I've never regretted selling any of them. I don't get these sentimental feelings for inanimate objects.
Aw, shucks Mike. You have not lived until you've tucked your eyepieces into bed while whispering "I love you, my precious" in dulcet tones.
Posted 01 July 2013 - 01:53 PM
Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:01 PM
There's nothing worse then a vengeful jilted eyepiece.....
I hope they don't find their way home from their new owners and gather around my bed to wake me with a shrill cry, "Why didn't you like us? Why didn't you keep us?"
Well, if they do, I'll just reach over, grap a tripod and bash their barrels until their little lenses pop out!
No sentimentality here!
Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:16 PM
I sold my 8mm Radian when I got an 8mm Delos. The 8m Radian was my favorite eyepiece. I thought the Delos would completely replace it. Long story short, I just picked up another 8mm Radian. I'm happy again.
What did the Radian have that the Delos didn't? Why couldn't the Delos replace the Radian?
Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:27 PM
I had one of those 32mm TV 'Widefields', also- a rubber-eyecup version. I know exactly what you mean- it just worked, and was marvelous to use.
And it's true for all the Widefield series. 15, 19, 24, 32 and 40, they have all this qualities.