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#1 BDS316

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:22 AM

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:04 AM

I have a Honda CRV and a 15 inch scope. A handy set of rampa let me roll in no problem. I have previously owned a Suburu Outback and again no problem to that size.

Not sure what the limit might be.

Both vehicles had pros and cons. I prefer the driving feel of the CRV (i test drove a lot of models from different companies) and could have been happy with several...i just liked the Honda feel.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:11 AM

I have a 12" and a CRV. A friend of mine has a VW Golf and a 16" Lightbridge and it fits!

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

Make a cardboard mockup cube 6"larger than the mirror. Astrosky makes his uta fit into the mirror box so you don't have worry about that additional space.

So your 15" mirror rocker/mirror box would takeup about 21x21x21 space.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:30 AM

Ive got a ford escape, and with the seats down in the back, I fit my Orion XX 14i, xt 10 G and a c8 all at the same time.
You could fit a xx 16G no problem...

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:35 AM

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks


Which SUV is best? For what purpose? Off road?
Mild off road ( on grass), all you have listed are fine. If you want something beefier, you might have to look into something with more frame and drive train strength.
Chevy Tahoe, Jeep Cherokee, Land rover, etc.
I've been around the block with some of these, as a Geologist, you need to get into some remote places with equipment.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:57 AM

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob.



I don't know much about the Infinity G Sedan but from what a quick Google shows, it's a reasonably large sedan.

A few data points:

- My 12.5inch F/4.06 Truss is an easy fit in any car, it all nests together, it's basically a cube 20"x19"x28" that sits nicely on a seat, taking up the space of a single passenger.

- My 16 inch F/4.42 Dobstuff does fit in our 1999 Honda Accord but it's close and if I remember correctly I need to unbolt the altitude bearings, 4 bolts, if I want to "nest" the scope. The poles are something of a problem but they fit if I open the passage between the truck and the passenger compartment.

In my mind, it's smarter to spend more money on a better scope rather than buying a car specifically for a scope. For example, I recently saw that just the base of one of the 12 inch Orion Dobs was 30 inches tall, the base alone takes up more room than my entire 12.5 inch...

Shneor who posts here used to transport his 22 inch in a Mazda 323..

Just some thoughts.

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(My 12.5 inch behind the rear seat of a 1994 Escort wagon.)
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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:12 AM

I just bought an 18" Obsession and it easily fit in my 2011 Subaru Outback. It has a huge cargo capacity but with the 2.5L engine it still gets 28mpg :D

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:15 AM

I drive a '99 Honda CRV with only 42M miles on it. The vehicle is large enough for me to sleep in it with my 12" Lightbridge and camping gear in it.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:18 AM

Astrosystems have cubic dims for the rocker/mirror box on their webpage that are pretty standard.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:36 AM

I'm posting this question on the reflector forum because I figure there are more Dob owners here than elsewhere.

Right now I have an Infinity G sedan which is fine for transporting my current XT8 across the back seat, but in the future I have my eyes set on a 12 or 15 inch truss Dob. I'm looking at small SUV's such as the Toyota RAV4, Honda CRV, or possibly an upscale small SUV such as the Infinity EX or a similar sized Lexus or Acura.

What's the largest truss dob that would fit into a vehicle of this size?

A related question although possibly off topic would be, which of these SUV's is the best?

Thanks


Do you want the scope to fit solely in the cargo area, or are mid seats down okay? I've got to transport kids so folding middle seats is not an option for me. I can get my XT10G and gear into the back of a Chevy Equinox, barely. Though this is a solid tube scope. My Tahoe is no problem, though it sounds like you want to stay in a smaller class. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the models listed, IMO it just comes down to personal taste.

The Rav 4 has the swinging door, while the others I think are hatchback.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

I'd buy the scope and then take it with me to the test drives. No fit-no buy.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 08:39 PM

I have a Honda CRV. I have hauled a 12.5 inch Portaball and an Obsession 18 UC. I really like the CRV. I would have preferred a Honda Pilot because it is larger, but it is also several thousand more. When I go out for an all nighter, if I leave the telescope set up outside, I can either sleep in the cubicle space, or fold down a front seat to sleep. The CRV handles real nice and gets good gas mileage.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

I transport my 16" Teeter in a '12 Prius v wagon (averaging 44 mpg over 12K miles) and occasionally in my '05 CR-V. I use telescoping 6 ft aluminum ramps to load the scope and the wheelbarrow handles fold in half. That simplifies packing as both items can be stored crossways on the floor behind the front seat or behind the rear seat which slides forward in both vehicles.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:10 PM

Build a pine board mock-up of the scope you have in mind. Then make sure the completed unit is a bit smaller. Here is my 16" f/7 base in the back of my CRV, note the back seats are still up. Lots of room left over.

As far as the "best" SUV, I would keep in mind that astro-use will probably only account for a small percentage of total use. Choose based on the other 90%, so long as the scope fits.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:24 AM

Here is the back of my CRV with my 18" Classic Obsession loaded, with the upper assembly and the trusses on the back seats, along with clothing etc for me and the wife for three days...

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:08 AM

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:26 AM

JimC,

Dog size is a sensitive subject!!!

If its under 50 lbs it ain't a dog and we are moving into cat territory (I fiercely love my Husky!) :roflmao:

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:27 AM

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

JimC


What about wife size?

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:48 AM

You rightly point out that there is a trade-off regarding available space:

AS = WS + DS

or

AS - WS = DS

or vice versa depending on temperament.

But you can never have

WS + DS >> AS

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:51 AM

Your math is sublime.

Ok, drop the wife, take astro gear and dog :roflmao:

Hell on earth follows... :tonofbricks:

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

My wife prefers I leave home. :question:

And so do I, I like to view in quiet. :help:

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 10:32 AM

I know a guy who fits his 20-inch low profile dob into a Mini-Cooper. And still has room for his wife, dog, and camping gear.

It's all a matter of design. (And keeping the dog size within reason).

JimC


Is it one of those tiny lap-dogs? :grin:

I can get my 18" truss into the back of a Renault MPV with room to spare for eyepiece case, clothes, steps, truss poles, observing table and quite a few other things. And this is with the back seats still upright but pushed as far forward as I can make them go.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

Nice job. Even the ladder!

It was a pretty small dog in the case I mentioned above. Would provide a quick snack for a coyote.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:03 PM

Nice job. Even the ladder!

It was a pretty small dog in the case I mentioned above. Would provide a quick snack for a coyote.

JimC


Yeah I was quite impressed. I think that, with a bit of careful planning, I could pull the rear seats back slightly and get another passenger in there. It'd be a bit of a tight fit but doable. That said, I'd probably get pulled over by the police for having an overloaded car. :grin:






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