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#126 budman1961

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:17 PM

Thank you for the correct info Michael! Your intimate knowledge of the situation is appreciated!

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

Michael,

Thanks for the date! I haven't heard anything since before the buyout was finalized. I bought another mount to start learning more about AP so when I get an updated LX80 I can evaluate it with less user error impacting the results.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 07:59 AM

So in the vacuum of news about this mount... All that is left is speculation.


Truer words have never been spoken.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:36 AM

So I see that the LTs can not be ordered. Meade has dropped that line then?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 08:40 AM

No mention of the LX80/85 because the LX80 is no longer in production and the LX85 doesn't exist. We've been over this. The new version of this mount is called the VM-1. The VM-1 is completed and ready to go into production. Only prototypes exist right now. These need in-house testing and evaluation and a price point set and then the numbers run to see how much money could be made at its performance and cost. With the merger and all the stuff that goes along with it I am sure that certifying the VM-1 for production is far down on the list. Once the dust settles, which I wouldn't think would be much longer, I am sure they will get them out to the first round of beta testing if they haven't already.

While I agree that this is not the best time for Meade to be keep quiet on their plans for the future, I am not surprised either. Be patient.


Not that I' doubting this Micheal, but do we have anything that substantiates this news? I can find no links about the VM1 anywhere (other than the LX80 news group and they say they got the news here)... Is this just speculation too?

Michael,

Thanks for the update! I haven't heard anything since before the buyout was finalized. I bought another mount to start learning more about AP so when I get an updated LX80 I can evaluate it with less user error impacting the results.

Mike


Funny how two people can read the same news and come away with completely different results.

As I read Micheal's news... it looks to me like the VM1 will be a new offering and there will be no upgrade path from the LX80. Looks to me like Meade is walking away from the LX80. The fact that they are giving it a completely different name, from a marketing POV also speaks volumes.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:39 AM

... Looks to me like Meade is walking away from the LX80. The fact that they are giving it a completely different name, from a marketing POV also speaks volumes.


..and the fact that when you repeatedly call for a LX80 warranty repair you are ignored also speaks volumes.
Shall I write a letter to Mr. Lupica pointing to the PR announcement "honoring warranty" blurp ?

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:43 AM

If you were Ningbo Sunny, would you push money into a rival Chinese company which had already foobed the original lx80? Or, would you invest in Meade, which you had just paid $5 million for, has vital IP for products, and is able to work with your factory directly to produce products internally and fill the assembly lines with orders? Note, the release says they are doing the second one. If they can get whole, maybe the LX85 will come back. They do need a mount that size since the market appears to get exponentially larger at smaller sizes.

-Rich

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:27 AM

Time will tell :)

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 10:31 AM

..and the fact that when you repeatedly call for a LX80 warranty repair you are ignored also speaks volumes.
Shall I write a letter to Mr. Lupica pointing to the PR announcement "honoring warranty" blurp ?


The first rule of LX80 Warranty Repair is don't talk about LX80 Warranty Repair...

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:10 AM

My take on it is this: The LX80 warranty would be to essentially upgrade it since it has so many mechanical flaws. They are not just swapping a part off the shelf into your LX80 and sending it back.

Therefore, they are in limbo now because there hasn't been a final decision on what to do next. When the VM-1 is finalized and goes into production, they will have the parts to fix the LX80 in stock since the LX80 owners are essentially getting VM-1 upgrades. Right now there is nothing they can do.

What I would like to see is Meade respond in this thread the way Celestron responds in their threads and explain this.

Folks, we don't have the parts yet as we haven't been given the green light. We expect to go forward in the next month but we don't want you to send your mounts to us and have them just sit here if there is any way you can use them while you wait. Please be patient with us as we are undergoing internal changes within the company after our recent merger and reorganization. Thank you for your understanding.

Meade, feel free to copy & paste that statement and send a check in the mail asap. :)

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:20 AM

Meade, feel free to copy & paste that statement and send a check in the mail asap. :)


Complete and total speculation. Posting such might be interpreted as fact and further confuse casual readers. I certainly wish the speculation would stop. I have no horses in this race as I have no desire, whatsoever, to purchase this or any other version of this mount. In the interest of those that are interested, such speculative comments have no purpose at all.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:27 AM

Not that I' doubting this Micheal, but do we have anything that substantiates this news? I can find no links about the VM1 anywhere (other than the LX80 news group and they say they got the news here)... Is this just speculation too?


Here is what I know for a fact. No speculation at all.
The LX80 is dead.
They still like the idea behind the LX80
Meade engineers have built their own LX80 and completely overhauled it with much better parts.
The name they came up with is VM-1. (I have no idea what it means)
There are a few prototypes down in Mexico and the firmware for it is pretty much complete if not already complete as I type this. Same guy who writes all their code has had the VM-1 and Max2 for a while now and has been busy with them.
Before the merger got underway, it was Meades intention to get them out for beta testing about two weeks ago. However the new people asked to pause while everything is evaluated and certified.
I personally know of two of their potential beta testers for the VM-1 and neither of them has one and neither of them has heard when they will get it.


Funny how two people can read the same news and come away with completely different results.

As I read Micheal's news... it looks to me like the VM1 will be a new offering and there will be no upgrade path from the LX80. Looks to me like Meade is walking away from the LX80. The fact that they are giving it a completely different name, from a marketing POV also speaks volumes.


From my discussions with Meade the upgrade path is still planned on at a cost to existing owners. Previously in this thread I believe we spoke about what changes were made. New gears, motors, tripod, worm, and something else? Oh I think the autoguider port is now part of the unit so a separate module is no longer necessary.

However, and this part is about 50% speculation and 50% solid information, unless the VM-1 goes into production so there are parts in stock, I don't think the upgrade path will happen.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:41 AM

Meade, feel free to copy & paste that statement and send a check in the mail asap. :)


Complete and total speculation. Posting such might be interpreted as fact and further confuse casual readers. I certainly wish the speculation would stop. I have no horses in this race as I have no desire, whatsoever, to purchase this or any other version of this mount. In the interest of those that are interested, such speculative comments have no purpose at all.


This isn't speculation but an example of the kind of statement I would like to see from Meade pertaining to the LX80 and warranty repair. I was pretty clear on that and if the casual reader doesn't understand that then too bad.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 11:50 AM

Meade tends to be a Hot Topic, so lets all tread lightly please.
Any Personal attacks, Rude posts or Vendor bashing will not be tolerated, think before you post.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 03:42 PM

No mention of the LX80/85 because the LX80 is no longer in production and the LX85 doesn't exist. We've been over this. The new version of this mount is called the VM-1.


You mean this VM1?

I am not convinced this is anything more than somebody's (not your) idea of a joke. ;)

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:35 PM

Meade, feel free to copy & paste that statement and send a check in the mail asap. :)


Complete and total speculation. Posting such might be interpreted as fact and further confuse casual readers. I certainly wish the speculation would stop. I have no horses in this race as I have no desire, whatsoever, to purchase this or any other version of this mount. In the interest of those that are interested, such speculative comments have no purpose at all.


This isn't speculation but an example of the kind of statement I would like to see from Meade pertaining to the LX80 and warranty repair. I was pretty clear on that and if the casual reader doesn't understand that then too bad.


Michael,

I agree that Meade should make some preliminary statement about the future of the LX80. One that is factual even if it is vague.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 05:53 PM


Not that I' doubting this Micheal, but do we have anything that substantiates this news? I can find no links about the VM1 anywhere (other than the LX80 news group and they say they got the news here)... Is this just speculation too?


Here is what I know for a fact. No speculation at all.
The LX80 is dead.
They still like the idea behind the LX80
Meade engineers have built their own LX80 and completely overhauled it with much better parts.
The name they came up with is VM-1. (I have no idea what it means)
There are a few prototypes down in Mexico and the firmware for it is pretty much complete if not already complete as I type this. Same guy who writes all their code has had the VM-1 and Max2 for a while now and has been busy with them.
Before the merger got underway, it was Meades intention to get them out for beta testing about two weeks ago. However the new people asked to pause while everything is evaluated and certified.
I personally know of two of their potential beta testers for the VM-1 and neither of them has one and neither of them has heard when they will get it.


Saddly we have nothing in writing... nothing official.... no supporting documentation... I'm sensing some LX80 launch deja vu...

Since we all seem to be guessing here. Let me add that VM1 probably stands for one of:
1) Variable Mount 1
2) Versatile Mount 1
3) Vapor Mount 1
4) Very Meade 1
5) Very Messy 1
6) Virtual Mount 1
7) Vigorous Marketing 1 or
8) Two letters and a number as far from L, X and eighty as marketing could come up with.

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:10 AM

This is speculation, I'm afraid. A few guys in Tijuana took a 3rd party Chinese sourced lx80 and modified it with some prototype parts they made there and called it a VM-1 while the takeover was underway.

But you have to look at where the company is, now. The lx800 relaunch is just started- they need to see what they can make. Any smaller mount has to be something either NS's plant in China can be stood up to make, or TJ can be stood up to make, or will be some sort of NS+ TJ effort. It's likely a lot of capital for jigs, die casting molds, and setting up a line is essentially happening from scratch. The original LX80 tooling very possibly is not owned by Meade, so they may be forced to work totally from scratch. They do have a hole in the lineup, but if they're going to more of a clean sheet response, there may never be any LX80 compatible parts coming.

Meade hasn't promised there will be an LX-80 fix after the buyout, and their letter yesterday didn't suggest this is coming, either. So, it really is speculation to claim this is still coming.

-Rich

Meade, feel free to copy & paste that statement and send a check in the mail asap. :)


Complete and total speculation. Posting such might be interpreted as fact and further confuse casual readers. I certainly wish the speculation would stop. I have no horses in this race as I have no desire, whatsoever, to purchase this or any other version of this mount. In the interest of those that are interested, such speculative comments have no purpose at all.


This isn't speculation but an example of the kind of statement I would like to see from Meade pertaining to the LX80 and warranty repair. I was pretty clear on that and if the casual reader doesn't understand that then too bad.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:35 AM

Any new news on this? Have been looking to read some. I must say this has been disappointing to date . Am I the only one who is impatient?

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:42 AM

Dui,

I'm getting impatient too! The only thing I have heard is that we probably won't hear anything for a few more weeks.

Mike

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:23 AM

You will be lucky and I will be surprised if it is only "weeks." Still, I am told this may happen. ;)

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:52 AM

I hope it does. Meade, please listen! I have been a staunch supporter, but we need this situation corrected for our future trust in your company as you make a new start.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:30 PM

You will be lucky and I will be surprised if it is only "weeks." Still, I am told this may happen. ;)


Are you at liberty to reveal your source. A hint maybe? :grin:

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 09:20 AM


Are you at liberty to reveal your source. A hint maybe? :grin:


You can bet that anything I'm told on this subject will be in confidence. But, again, I can say it looks like they at least intend to do something about the 80. I don't know that that means "writ in stone," of course.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 07:05 PM

Well, that will be welcome news to LX80 owners.






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