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#1 BarrySimon615

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:31 AM

If a scope is put together completely from "spare" parts that were all originally parts of other "classic" scopes, is the new "Frankenscope" a classic too, or is simply a "Mutt"? I know what the answer is to me, but I am curious to hear what others think.

Pictured below is my "modified" Unitron. Converted from a photo equatorial Model 145 Unitron to a similar scope but one featuring an Edmund 3" f/11 objective. The shorter tube works much better with the #142 mount. (The original objective was shot, scratched, etc., etc. and needed replacement). Many, I suppose, would consider this scope a "ba@%&*d".

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#2 terraclarke

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:00 AM

Beautiful scope Barry. In my opinion, its classic in every way. :bow:

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:20 AM

Still a classic....but....not a unitron
145.
If its put together with all
Original replacement parts...then its
A 145.....just my opinion.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:45 AM

I like it Barry! And it looks very well on the 145 mount. Why not call it an Edmuntron? :smirk:

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

Since it now has a superior objective, I would still consider it a classic.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:55 AM

Why not call it an Edmuntron?


Unimund?

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:00 AM

I would say its a classic because it is assembled from classic parts.
I build telescopes from parts and like to stick to classic parts and accessories, and I usually call my creations a "Junk Yard Dog" and typically I think they are better than what can be purchased because mine have a little rattlesnake in'em. Although your's is much to pretty Barry, how about "Hot Rod" a hand made finely tuned hybrid.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

Not only a "classic", but a "classy classic". :bow:

I hotrod vintage cars and motorcycles using NOS or used parts, and stuff that I fabricate myself, and the only folk who condemn me are the anally-retentive nut-and-bolt freaks. :cool:

Don't worry about what other people think. Opinions are worth nothing.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:16 AM

Looks like a fine classic to me!

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:21 AM

She's kinda like my Puppy, not a bure breed, but I love Her with all my heart!

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:44 AM

It's a "One Of A Kind" :cool:

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 03:18 AM

BTW you did a nice job creating a functional scope.
I see nothing at all wrong with it.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:24 AM

Barry
Nice rebuild! As I 'curmudgeoned' in another thread, practically all of our rebuilds, repairs, and restorations, involve more modern materials, finishes, and the like, so where is the line between original and beautifully useable?
What you have done, in my view, is take a bunch of vintage parts and created here a beautiful, useable, classic-to-the-eye scope!
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:39 AM

I'm likely more picky as I collect other technological artifacts. If it came from the unitron factory as a 142, then it's an "original 142", if it was put togather from parts, then it's not an original 142 but as long as all the parts are from 142's it's a "restored 142". the key concept is: is it exactly as it came from the Factory?

if the tube was cut shorter and a non unitron objective put in, it's not a Unitron 142 any more. Its an f11 telescope made from Unitron parts.

Also, unless Unitron specifially sold Unitron kits intended for you to you assemble yourself, if you made it yourself from unrelated new old stock or used spare parts from scratch, then you have an obligation to disclose that to any buyers.

a made from parts scope is most definitely not an original 142 as it never came as is from the factory. It is however, an Authentic 142 paradoxical as that may seem.

An Original is that from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made according to Merrim-Webster.

None of this answers whether its a classic telescope or not. Classic is a little more fluid a concept.

The word classic generally means something that is a perfect example of a particular style, something of lasting worth or with a timeless quality. So yes indeed, your telescope is a classic telescope: it's a classic f11 refractor in the style of a Unitron. Classic cars have a particular style of lasting worth and timeless quality indeed.

People confuse Classic with Vintage or antique. They are not the same.

The handful of pennies in your pocket are all classic pennys. They may or may not be vintage pennys depending on how old they are. But if you made them yourself, they are not original pennys, they are conterfit pennies. It dosent matter that you made it from the same parts the Treasury did. It didnt come from the treasury as a Penny.

You have an awesome telescope, I like it a lot. its worth a good chunk of change. Nothing unworthy or less valuable about it. Enjoy it and use it and dont worry so much about labels and what anyone else thinks. It's a classic telescope. ;)

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:39 AM

Greg,
Good way to look at it!

I repair, restore, resharpen, and regularly use, classic, vintage, and antique hand woodworking tools.......and the same questions plague tool guys. Often, it's a question of are they going to live in a tool cabinet or on a shelf?
Same with scopes.....
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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:34 PM

Greg,
Good way to look at it!

I repair, restore, resharpen, and regularly use, classic, vintage, and antique hand woodworking tools.......and the same questions plague tool guys. Often, it's a question of are they going to live in a tool cabinet or on a shelf?
Same with scopes.....
R

I have one in my living room, not so much for display as
for easy access out the door to put to work. I love looking
at them but not as much as using them, we could have a
Showroom Classic's and another Working Classics forum.
Sometimes the mutt's are man's best friend. :grin:

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 02:59 PM

I prefer "Homage". I think assembling a scope out of parts outside of the factory is different from an original scope. Here is a photo of my 1946 Brandon, an homage. The objectives were not to my knowledge sold in a Brandon tube with focuser. Mine is in a hastings tube with a Modern brass Crawford focuser...

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 07:08 PM

It's one Durn sure way you can get All the features YOU want
A+

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:31 AM

Since the scope is all classic parts it's truly a classic. :jump: :cool:

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:10 AM

I don't mind what you call it :cool:

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:21 AM

Since the scope is all classic parts it's truly a classic. :jump: :cool:

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I agree; if the parts are all from the same general era, it's a classic.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:44 AM

Best telescope is one that gets used. A classic made better? easier to use, better eyepieces. I like classics, but I'm an ATM and engineer at heart. How can I make this better? Some scopes I do like to keep more original. It is fun to use a telescope as it was. Peering through a 6mm Huygens in a 200 plus year old refractor is pretty cool.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:01 AM

Btw. interesting active regions at the western rim on the sun this weekend ...

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#24 BarabinoSr

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

Nice Unitron, Barry and definitely not a mutt.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 01:25 PM

Well, they might be mutts, but they're purebred mutts! :grin:






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