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#1 ion

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:58 PM

"The Scottish Dark Sky Observatory is composing a response to the South Kyle wind farm consultation voicing concerns about light pollution, which could spoil precious star views. "

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#2 Tonk

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:48 PM

Galloway Forest Park has only had its gold level dark sky park status for 3 years or so and then this comes along!!

#3 Tonk

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 02:26 AM

The story has now made todays front page on the BBC News website

http://www.bbc.co.uk...otland-24325181

The proposals have received a strong comment from Scotland's Astronomer Royal (Prof Brown) no less

This BBC link contains quotes from Alex Salmond (Scotland's First Minister) when he opened the dark sky park last October including

"Most importantly, it is also a huge economic asset for the local community - attracting direct employment, encouraging visitors to come here and providing an inspirational resource for local children and adults alike"

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 08:29 AM

Progress?? Sometimes it's not! We have precious little dark sky left here in the states. I was lucky and grew up living in a dark sky area. Not so now living near Austin...

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:20 PM

I note that wind farms do not help the environment in any way whatsoever, resource wise, energy wise, sky wise, migration wise, hapitat wise etc.

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:26 PM

Tell them it will endanger Bald Eagles or whatever kind of eagles they have there.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 02:24 AM

None of the wind farms I've seen contribute appreciably to light pollution once construction is finished, especially compared to regular power plants. And the idea that wind farms harm wildlife is, in the most polite terms possible, an exaggeration.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:15 AM

Sadly, nowhere on Earth is immune from encroaching light pollution these days. Likewise, "the evironment be damned as long as the project results in employment" seems to have become the battle cry of humanity. While the environmental community made great strides in the 80's and 90's, I'm seeing more and more of their gains fall by the wayside in the name of jobs. Only the environs surrounding major astronomical observatories seems able to hold their ground currently. I wish our colleagues across the pond luck in fighting this new intruder, but fear the ultimate outcome.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 08:27 AM

None of the wind farms I've seen contribute appreciably to light pollution once construction is finished, especially compared to regular power plants. And the idea that wind farms harm wildlife is, in the most polite terms possible, an exaggeration.


If you are a company seeking to build wind turbines you will release dozens of company-sponsored studies that say they don't kill birds. If you are an independent group studying how many birds are killed by wind turbines you will produce evidence as to how live birds aren't as common around wind turbines... but dead ones are.

http://www.washingto...edits-fund-b...

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and other experts estimate that more than 500,000 birds and countless bats are killed annually by turbines. The slaughter “could easily be over 500” golden eagles a year in our western states, says Save the Eagles International biologist Jim Wiegand. Bald eagles are also being butchered. The two species’ body count could soon reach 1,000 per year.

In the 86-square-mile area blanketed by California’s Altamont Pass wind turbines, no eagles have nested for more than 20 years, and golden eagle nest sites have declined by half in surrounding areas, even though both are prime habitats, Mr. Wiegand notes. Wildlife specialist Shawn Smallwood estimates that 2,300 golden eagles have been killed by Altamont turbines in the past 25 years.


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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

You do have to look at how many birds are killed by other sources.

Powerlines, skyscrapers, automobiles, etc... All kill tens to humdreds of times more birds then wind turbines.

Coal plants kill more people then wind turbines kill eagles.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:11 PM

I think the only Blue Zone in Indiana is on a wind farm according to the LP map. Can't be that many lights from them if so.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

None of the wind farms I've seen contribute appreciably to light pollution once construction is finished, especially compared to regular power plants.

I tend to agree but nevertheless there is significant light pollution from some wind turbine farms. There seems to be some sort of regulation here in the UK that the things have to be illuminated in the infra red for the benefit of collision avoidance by low flying aircraft (mostly military) and that wind turbines in search & rescue training areas have to be illuminated in visible light too. Why can't they just have blinking red anti-collision lights like other tall structures? Beats me....

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

And whats the :elephdance: in the room regarding all these underlying issues .... :question: To many of these :ooo: :mad: :cool: :) :( :o :crazy: :shocked: :smirk: :confused: :grin: :bawling: :shrug:

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:52 PM

Sadly, nowhere on Earth is immune from encroaching light pollution these days. Likewise, "the evironment be damned as long as the project results in employment" seems to have become the battle cry of humanity. While the environmental community made great strides in the 80's and 90's, I'm seeing more and more of their gains fall by the wayside in the name of jobs. Only the environs surrounding major astronomical observatories seems able to hold their ground currently. I wish our colleagues across the pond luck in fighting this new intruder, but fear the ultimate outcome.
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We are part of the environment. The "battlecrh" of humanity is hypocritical and terribly self defeating.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:46 PM

You do have to look at how many birds are killed by other sources.

Powerlines, skyscrapers, automobiles, etc... All kill tens to humdreds of times more birds then wind turbines.

Coal plants kill more people then wind turbines kill eagles.


Your quote about 500 eagles didn't fit, but that'd be like $100 million in fines if they were golden eagles.
http://www.foxnews.c...-face-hefty-...
A windfarm would suddenly become unprofitable or even operate at a loss if it had to pay a lot of fines.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

I note that wind farms do not help the environment in any way whatsoever, resource wise, energy wise, sky wise, migration wise, hapitat wise etc.

I'm sorry but I disagree, they are ugly but provide a lot of energy...every watt they make saves that much oil. I live in Iowa and have seen those things popping up all over.. They are honestly trying to stay away from Migratory routs.
They have provided many much needed jobs both construction wise and Permanent maintenance wise.
Farm land is selling for Premium money.
I would not worry about reduced Agriculture, The State of Texas could provide all the grain if it were all used...
It is just too bad all the cheap energy is going to the coasts and big citys..

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 10:07 AM

I'm sorry but I disagree, they are ugly but provide a lot of energy...every watt they make saves that much oil.


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Plus the foorprint of each windmill is small so when we advance and find some other renewable source - taking away a wind farm leaves less scars on the land than full blown powerstations would

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 10:47 AM

I note that wind farms do not help the environment in any way whatsoever, resource wise, energy wise, sky wise, migration wise, hapitat wise etc.

Sometimes it is a choice between which one is worse.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 12:09 PM

Agreed. Everything we do has some impact. We can't live like Jainist monks, but we can minimize the damage by choosing the lesser of two or more evils. Wind power, solar, geothermal, etc. are all far and away the better choices. No one is saying that alternative energy generation is impact-free, it's simply better than what we've been doing. Conservation is another better choice.

Regarding stories about the downside of wind turbines, beware of the sources of these stories. Some have a very poor track record of reporting when it comes to science and politically loaded issues like green energy.

For a more objective assessment, see the link below:
http://science.howst...-turbine-kil...

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