Canadians: Effectively shut out of used market.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 12:50 PM
Not new but, also increasingly, the very same thing is occurring with ebay and even amazon.com. (Please don't even mention amazon.ca as they are a stench in the nostrils! Absolutely USELESS site!!! )
I recognize there isn't much to be done about it. I have decided I won't be renewing my Astromart account though as the continuing frustration make it unworthy of any fee. It occurs as frequently with the CN classifieds but, hey, they are free! Still frustrating though.
I wonder how other Canadians feel about this?
I've been a seller, as well as a buyer. I fully understand why US residents just don't want anything to do with selling outside the US. Especially when Canadians give them grief about high shipping costs and asking for falsification of declared values.
The effect is to make the classifieds a continuing frustration. They need an option (actually ebay.com does have one, sort of) to actually exclude listings that are "CONUS only." It makes no sense to a non-US resident to pay for a listing service where this is so common.
At least that's how I feel about it.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 01:50 PM
What with all the "free trade" agreements, I'm rather shocked that we can't deal across boarders with our closest neighbor and ally. But then, my friendly encounters with Canada was in the early 70s when I was stationed at St. Ste. Marie, MI. We would travel over into the Canadian side (Same city name, much larger city) all the time. Between the two cities, they accepted either US or Canadian $ at face value. Twas a much simpler time I guess....
Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:37 PM
Yep. That about sums it up.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:45 PM
Just to be clear, if you're selling small stuff, eyepieces and small parts, there is no additional hassle for the seller to send to Canada. You will have a slightly higher cost, which I show in my ad. The buyer will also need to be patient. I've seen USPS add a week in transit time getting eyepieces up across the border.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:49 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 03:29 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:16 PM
This is not new. I have been able to procure a few items on the used market from our American friends but, increasingly, all I see on Amart is "CONUS" only.
It never hurts to ask.
I mark all of my ads CONUS, but that is just to give me some protection on shipping costs - which have been rocketing upwards the last few years. And international is even worse.
If a foreign buyer asks - and is willing to pay actual shipping costs - I will ship anywhere it is legal to do so. I have shipped items to France, Poland, and Canada.
In fact, my best Astromart sale ever was to a Canadian. (Check my Astromart profile for that one!)
Stephane L'Heureux bought a Schaefer AT9 mount and pedestal from me - all 275 pounds of it! He was incredibly prepared. I told him the number of boxes and the weights of each one. He filled out all of the shipping documents (pre-paid Fed-EX Ground) and emailed them to me. All I had to do (besides pack the beast - which I would have had to do anyway) was print, sign the copies, and take it all to Fed-Ex. Fed-Ex scanned the barcodes, affixed the labels, and I was out of there in less than 5 minutes. Easier than domestic!
Of course, not all foreign buyers are so prepared .... and expecting the seller to do all the research and legwork (let alone take the hit on shipping costs) is not very realistic. Much easier for the seller to wait a bit longer for a domestic buyer.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:20 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:55 PM
Regarding buying from the US if the ad is marked CONUS, I typically offer the seller $20 extra for the "trouble" and they often bite.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:23 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:36 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 05:45 PM
I'll never forget the looks on the face of the poor postman who had to drag the box with the two 7.50x18 front tires (about 40lbs, total!) from his car to my door. He really earned his money that day!
Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:30 PM
I've shipped a few things south, and, never had a problem, again always using the 'plain old post office'.
For the couple of cases where folks down south flat out refused to ship north, no biggie. Another will come for sale soon, and, I'll just get it there. To be honest, I'd rather not send money to folks with that kind of an attitude
Posted 12 October 2013 - 07:50 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:26 PM
I've bought a quite a few items off Astromart over the years even an entire 18 Plettstone (thanks again Bill, love it); never had a problem. I accept it as a given that I pay the shipping, PayPal and any other costs. All my dealings with US sellers have been a delight.
At one time I bought a lot of stuff from the US and most folks shipped to Canada quite happily. Even bought a scope, a 120mm f8. Seems the trend today is that many sellers who will post to Canada want to go with the priority post box for insurance and tracking but it is just way too expensive for smaller items. I won a few small auctions on AM last year but the shipping killed the joy. Even bargin stuff from Surplus Shed is no longer practical and at one time I bought a lot there. There are a few dealers who are good to work with but for most, it's FedEx or Priority Post; choose your poison.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:35 PM
Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:40 PM
One, a "CONUS only." I didn't bother contacting him.
One an "if I can't get someone in the US, I'll get back to you." It's not what he said but it's pretty much what he meant.
And two with no reply at all to my inquiry . . . and those two were not even "CONUS only."
So, I've pretty well had it with the US classifieds.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:43 PM
1) people are always asking you to lie about the value or to say it is a gift
2) you have to fill out paperwork and stand in line to ship to another country, including Canada.
3) there can be very long delays in customs, weeks! I have had this happen when I shipped to Canada. The buyer was getting upset because the package just disappeared when it hit customs. He bugged me for a refund. I told him not until it is declared lost. The item showed up four weeks later, it was in customs the entire time.
Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:55 PM
Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:13 AM
Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:48 AM
Posted 13 October 2013 - 02:13 AM
While I've only bought a few things on the used market the majority have been from the US and the majority of those did state CONUS only yet still the deal was cut. Only ever wanted it shipped USPS and was willing to pay the full shipping. There is no duty on astro equipment and taxes are my responsibility.
If someone doesn't want to sell something that is their right, Oh Well. What I do see though is that there is a lot of used stuff out there that is going unsold so perhaps keep track of those things and the seller who wouldn't sell. Perhaps with a little time their attitude might change.
On that Canadian site throw up a wanted ad if there is something you really want. You might be surprised what might reply.
For the most part (and I mean no disrespect) you might just need to get over this. We live in an amazing country, the fact someone might not want to sell you something is small beans.
Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:45 AM
I now usually look for a location before contact and if possible just drive to collect. Which considering our post is good and the whole place is about 800 miles end to end is pretty bad.
Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:05 AM
Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:27 AM
Do you know about this site? http://www.astrobuysell.com/
Sure I do, Bill. But it's really pretty pathetic. Our market is so small. I did, by shear coincidence, pick up two Delos EPs there very recently though.
Earlier this year I was notified by a US friend of some high-end gear being listed on Astromart by a Canadian. I bought many kilobucks of it from him.
Typically, it was not even listed on the Canadian board!
Seems even Canadians don't list on the Canadian board!
He still has $8,300 of stuff left on Amart . . . or, at least, has not marked the items as being sold.
Had it not been pointed out to me, I'd have not even seen the listing!