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#1 spongebob@55

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

I spoke to ES the other day about their Bresser Messier line of scopes. Evidently, they are going to sell/distribute them here in the USA. Since I was interested in a 127 with a longer f/l, I noted they have a 127L f/9.4 1200mm f/l achromat. It has a single speed 2" focuser with 1.25" adapter, an illuminated straight through finder with large center circle, 2" standard diagonal with brass ring, its collimatable and a pull off dew shield, rings and rail. A 26mm EP Messier EP. $450 shipped.
Can anyone who has one tell me about the quality of the optics and build? And anything else? Would love to get this scope.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:26 AM

It's probably very similar to the old Meade AR5, so I bet it's an excellent achromat. The AR5 I had was made extremely well, pretty much built like tank. Optics were top notch and it was an excellent performer on double stars and for lunar/planetary work. CA will be there obviously, but it's no worse than what you get out of the Celestron 102.

That's a darn good price considering Astrozap sells the same scope for $579.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:52 PM

It's probably very similar to the old Meade AR5, so I bet it's an excellent achromat. The AR5 I had was made extremely well, pretty much built like tank. Optics were top notch and it was an excellent performer on double stars and for lunar/planetary work. CA will be there obviously, but it's no worse than what you get out of the Celestron 102.

That's a darn good price considering Astrozap sells the same scope for $579.


I was also thinking that it would be very similar to the AR-5. But I couldn't really find much about this Messier. Its sold in Europe, but only is starting out here through Explore Sci. A little disappointed that it has a single speed focuser, but as long as the optics are good, I can always change that out once I would find it to be under performing. I have the Celestron 102mm f9.8 and just love it so with out going too big or fast is perfect for me and perhaps for others not wanting a very fast refractor.
I have some questions into ES and hope to discuss with them tomorrow. I will hope the spec that ES/JOC specified will be good. It could be a winner if it has good performance for an achromat.
BTW, ES will sell 'long' and 'short' focal length Messier Achromats in sizes up to 152mm. Also will be selling a less expensive, non water proof eyepiece line under the Messier name too.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:13 PM

I've owned a Bresser Messier 127L and a Meade AR5 LXD75 (with the collimatible objective cell) and they seemed to be identical except for the branding. Optically, the Bresser was the better scope though so there might be some variation in the quality of these.

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:08 PM

The Bresser website states that the 127L is f/8.

http://www.bresser.c...ier_ar127l.html

How did you come up with f/9.4?

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:17 PM

The info on the Bresser site is incorrect. The 127L has a 1200mm focal length and sports a 127mm objective, which is the exact same specs as the Meade AR5. It's a f/9.4 achro.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:39 AM

I have had my Bresser AR127L for a few weeks now and for how little it cost im very impressed with the quality of the optics you do get some CA around bright objects like Jupiter and the moon and the very bright stars like vega and cappela etc but its not a massive amount and easly controlled with the correct filter ..as for build quality its solid and very well built ..

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:40 AM

oh and on the side of the scope it says F9.5 so I can confirm that the specs on the Europe website are incorrect :) hope this helps

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

Is this Bresser 127L scope available right now in the USA?

Thank you.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:52 AM

I just spoke with "Jacob" (via on-line chat) at Explore Scientific, and he told me that they have the scope in stock but are undergoing some sort of price change, etc. He promised to send me updated information later this week.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:10 PM

Price change? They better not change this price after quoting me it directly a couple of weeks ago. I did ask for the price of the Messier 152mm and it was higher than the Celestron synta so I asked how they were going to compete with a scope that already was lower in price and established. Also their Messier 102mm has stiff competition and must be priced right to compete with the excellent 102mm f9.8 even priced at the 'regular' price and not $59 ;-). Of course they could load them up with accessories, but at this level, they're not what some of us would use since we have stuff like diagonals, EPs, etc. I guess it comes down to the demographic they're targeting. They're doing the same with their Bresser EPs they're coming out with....no gas purging, not water proof but the same glass and lower pricing...

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:50 AM



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:13 AM

Hey, at least their not looking at the ground and they have an ep in there... :lol:

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 05:32 AM

But what are they looking at in the far northeast daytime sky?


Clear skies!
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Posted 05 November 2013 - 07:12 AM

But what are they looking at in the far northeast daytime sky?




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#16 mattz

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:53 PM

I thought I was the only one to see that movie.

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 03:16 PM

I saw the movie too on flight to Japan. Very odd movie. It doesn't end well.

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

What movie is it? I think I've seen it, but I am not sure.


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Posted 05 November 2013 - 08:31 PM

Yes, you might tell us what movie it is! I assure you that few of us know. Is that Kiefer Sutherland in the pic?

OK, let me guess: "Melancholia" (2011), right?

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Posted 05 November 2013 - 09:02 PM

The name of the movie is Melancholia.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:47 PM

Well, guess what, folks! I just spoke with Michelle Rodriguez at Explore Scientific, and she informed me that ES will NOT be selling the 127L after all, only the 127S. She apologized profusely for the previous misinformation and implied that it was not ES's decision. She also informed me that I could purchase the 127L from Bresser in Europe. I'm not sure how good an option that is, however.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:53 PM

I think the Astrozap is very similar- 127mm, 1200mm f.l. $579 with free shipping from Woodland Hills Camera.

http://telescopes.ne...escope-ota.html

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:55 PM

Well, guess what, folks! I just spoke with Michelle Rodriguez at Explore Scientific, and she informed me that ES will NOT be selling the 127L after all, only the 127S. She apologized profusely for the previous misinformation and implied that it was not ES's decision. She also informed me that I could purchase the 127L from Bresser in Europe. I'm not sure how good an option that is, however.


Yeah, I got an e mail from my contact too saying the same. I bet someone didn't know about an old distribution agreement or something!
I wonder what the price from Bresser EU would be along with the import costs? Very disappointed. :tonofbricks: I guess I'll have to look for a AR-5 used somewhere.
Sbob

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:14 PM

I'll have to wait for someone to sell a clone for the price ES was going to....$450 with free shipping.......

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 08:16 PM

Anyone owned or used the Astrozap 127 F/9.5?

I have an e-mail in to Bresser asking about price, shipping, etc.

E.






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