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#1 Charlie Hein

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 02:18 PM

Microscopic Telescope

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:37 PM

Interesting concept, thanks for sharing. As with the focal point catadioptric telescopes many major suppliers make, having the lenses in exactly the right spot is going to be essential, as you pointed out. I am going to have to think about this one for a while, but I can say I certainly enjoyed reading about what you are doing! I consider your article mind expanding. Bill Steen

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:05 PM

Isn't this type of telescope called a relay telescope?

http://www.atm-works...m/dilworth.html
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Relay_lens

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:20 AM

Indeed. I think H. E. Dall in ATM book 2 (going back a-ways now :-) ) wrote about them and I believed he used 2 achromats arranged like a plossl (or symmetric eyepiece) for the relay lens. Although, I don't think Dall's point was as a amplifier as Josef writes about, but primarily to shrink the size of the 2ndary, and provide a decent amount of focus. It's a wrinkle that could probable see more use.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:59 AM

I been thinking about doing this for a long time, wondering what type of oil or solution you could use use between the symmetric relay lens to get rid of the two extra reflective surfaces? What type of lens to correct a spherical mirror - spherical aberration, that would negate the primary's collimanation. Very little has been written about telescope systems that uses lenses to correct and refocus the mirror past the first focal point. It has many advantages that have not been researched!

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:37 AM

Here is an example, the old erecting system in antique folding spy glass and modify this way. Image F1 then achromatic relay lens at its FL produce parallel rays. Sub aperture corrector for coma, spherical aberration and flat field, in between and the 2nd achromatic relay lens to bring it to F2. What would be much nicer is a triplet that could do all three, but that would take some major optical design and special glass (rare earth). This is similar to the modern zoom spotting scope in basic design. The biggest problem is getting the alignment on the secondary mirror which is the downfall of cheap short FL Jones-Bird type telescopes.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:47 AM

Erect

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 03:53 AM

Correct

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 07:10 PM

in a PERFECT world, each mirror would have a perfect curve or perfect flatness... robots will rule at that point.... you can make a telescope with a 100nm primary and a 1um secondary, as long as everything is perfect :p

i was just having this discussion of 'perfection' and 'infinity' with my girlfriend, thought i'd chime in with my new found 'wisdom'...

cool setup though!!

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Posted 24 January 2015 - 04:58 PM

The books on ATM -Main Stream are saying nothing on the subject ( Ingalls, Howard , Texereau ).

However I would like to remind the following:

 

1)The French physicist Leon Foucault was often using  microscopes instead of eyepieces on his reflecting telescopes built in the XIX Century .

 

2)Kulin Gyorgy ,  Hungarian astronomer and  father of the amateur astronomer movement in Hungary ,mentioned in more of his books on telescope making the use of the compound microscope as a telescope eyepiece.

 

3)The use of a relay lens system for reverting the image was known and used long before Horace Dall , eventually starting with Anton Maria Schyrleus de Rheita.

 

4)In '' Sky and Telescope'' and in other magazines and books it was discussed the idea of minimizing the size of secondary mirror of the Newtonian telescope by using relay lenses.

 

5)However ,the use of the compound microscope as a way to reduce central obstruction in reflectors and the use of the same system for imaging are contributions of Joseph.

 

 

Congratulations to  Joseph for the experiments and for the interesting results.

Good luck in further experiments,

 

Regards, Mircea




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