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#1 Smittty692k4

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 03:19 PM

I found a local seller of a Meade "classic" LX200 12".

I just wanted to know what some of the mojor diffrences are between the older and newer models. He says he still uses it regularly and everything is fine with it.

Are there any specific questions I should ask? I am very interested in the scope as an upgrade to a bigger SCT, but I dont want to make a huge mistake in overlooking something to regret it later and hear the dreaded "I told you so" from the wife.

Here is the link. It seems like a really good offer compared to the newer models... But I really dont want any hassle out of an older style.

Thanks you.

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 09:17 PM

My biggest concern with that link is that it shows the base and forks fine, but the optics are the important part. It the optics are good, the rest can be dealt with.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:33 AM

Those older scopes really do perform well. One thing to be certain of, is to make sure that the capacitors are replaced in the handbox and in the base. Those two are a must if you want that telescope to last.

A friend of mine owns an LX200 Classic in the 12" persuasion and he uses it as an astrophotography platform. One thing you'll likely find is that they're *VERY* heavy!

If it were me and I had the cash, I'd jump on it.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:39 AM

If he didnt replace the capacitors, how would I go about soing that? And whats the cost?

I would use this as a part visual/ mainly planetary imaging rig.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:50 AM

You might start out as mainly planetary, but with this scope I would bet that you are soon in the dso realm also. If you have basic soldering skills the capacitor replacement is not too bad, if not, find a friend who does. The cost of all the capacitors is maybe a couple of bucks so nothing to worry about.

Good luck.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:53 AM

My best friend is a Master Electric Journeyman as a matter of fact. LOL.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:26 PM

Being a journeyman does not mean he has great soldering skills. Journeyman typically work with high power wiring and components that are not quite as sensitive. I am not saying he does not have the skills, but you are looking for somebody that has fine motor skills and has spent more than a few hours with a soldering iron. This rework is not difficult but it is very sensitive so that adjacent components and circuit boards do not get damaged.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 12:43 PM

I thought that was his correct title. He has been in Aviation Electronice with the Marines for the last 8 years. I know he used to do ALOT of soldering work back at base in CA.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 01:39 PM

Enough said, he would be a great candidate for this repair. If you search the LX threads, there are a number that give detailed capacitor replacement instructions. At this point I would go back to my first comment, what do the optics look like? If they are good, I think this is a great find.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 02:35 PM

I will be able to tell firsthand when/if I were to go look at it. With good optics and the Giant field tripod, I could do the Autostar upgrade and have a "like new" 12" for ~$2500.

I plan on selling 2 of my scopes anyways, so cut that 2500 down to $1300 and that makes it all the more enticing.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:07 PM

I love the classic over the autostars.
I bought a 10" emc for $1800 in nice shape......But after careful investigating I had the mirrors re coated at a cost of $175.That was money well spent.The new coating really brought the 10" lx200 to life.

I like the ease of use of the control and goto of the classic,it doesn't care about daylight savings,time or date or location.
You manually choose your alignments stars that's it.
with my autostar system if it was partly cloudy and I wanted to set up you have a certain time limit to align or align unsucessfull happens if a cloud blocks the stars the programed goto wants to use.

I'll never run an autostar again

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:14 PM

also Id offer somewhere near the $1200-$1500 range

even if the coatings look good being its aluminum it does have a shelf life due to corrosion.

I also had to go thru all my drives to clean and re grease,tighten all the loose screws on the lock plates/clutches.
Buying an old scope as I learned is a project.Not a ready for 20 more years of service.
Offer him $1000 cash

Its a good scope and with a lil effort it can be a great scope.Unless your a big dude portability will be an issue.
Im 5'11'' 165 lbs and pretty fit,My 10" is borderline portable in my opinion.

he does have dew control so that's a plus.
Id say $1500 is fair.I see them newer for about $1500-$2000 range

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:18 PM

What is "roughly" the shelf life of those coatings? I would plan on using it until either the drive failed, or I was tired of the monster control and get the upgrade.

Also, 6'3 270# :grin:

It is a Kendrick, I already asked as soon as I saw "Dew control" on the listing.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:22 PM

aluminum coatings will corrode.
Its been said coatings should last about 20 years.

if the scope was poorly taken care of like stored with an eyepiece left out(it happens a lot)or stored in a hot attic.Used where theres a higher moisture content then corrosion will happen sooner.
http://www.loptics.c...mirrorcare.html
these people claim coatings can fail within 10 years

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:59 AM

I have two of these scopes. They are both quite vintage. One (10")was stored in perfect conditions, with very little use. The other(12") was an outdoor, enclosed observatory, near the ocean, with heavy use. They are both still a joy to look thru. What pictures I can take on the forks are not too bad...just aim at polaris. Or defork and put it on a massive GEM. The tube weighs about 40lbs. I specifically bought a vintage one because I was led to believe that the mirrors are superior. I am not sure that is true, but I am pleased to look thru them. The F 6.3 10" is not very forgiving on eyepieces(lots of central degradation with over 40mm), but the F10 12" is useable from a 50mm to a 6.7mm. I got my 10 for 1500, and after I was educated I found a 12 for 1100. I think he was asking 1250.

To echo Red from above, the 10 is borderline to lug by yourself. The 12, prolly not unless you are huge. Deforked on a GEM, it would be much more reasonable. BTW I have autostar upgrade on one of mine, and although I like it, I like the Classico much better. It is so precise and does not give you any *BLEEP*. Oh yeah it keeps time too!

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 07:03 AM

What all did you get with the 12" for 1100? Like the accessories and such?

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 11:29 AM

Also, I wanted to thank everyone for their input. This is the first post I have made on the Meade forum and I appreciate all of the feedback.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:43 PM

Smitty,
Sorry to make you wait. The 12 came tripod less, but it had a guidestar top scope mount with a generic refractor 80mm. On the bottom, Losmandy weight slide with weights. Scope was supercharged by Dr Clay about 10 yrs ago. Got good mirror reports, all the documentation. Got all the Autostar Upgrade documentation, flavor of Dudash(Google for help on that one, I don't wanna stick my foot in my mouth, 'here.) Got a TelrAD. Got a 50mm GSO and a 25mm Xcel. The hand controller, a 497. Xtra Long DEC cable, regular DEC cable. The upgrader link for the controller to PC hookup.And a partridge in a pear tree, no not that, 2 instruction manuals for the lx200, I think that is it. Ol' boy helped me load 'er up, I smacked a beer sticker on it, and we've been good buddies since. Got to see Venus that night, right on the ocean, I think in Westport, or Olala or something. We blew the mind of this cool dude who was walking his dog by. He stopped for a peek of the Moon and Venus. He was super stoked.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 04:58 AM

patg43, I just noticed you're not far from me.

:) What part of Union?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 02:17 PM

About halfway up Main St. Steve. I got a good view from here, but I like observing in the Olympic National Park.






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