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#26 Mr. Bill

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 01:45 PM

Just looked on Eagle Optics website....$599.



#27 JustaBoy

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 02:04 PM

The Fuji's are just $599 at Eagle Optics, and are In Stock!

 

http://www.eagleopti...mt-sx-binocular



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Posted 08 August 2014 - 02:06 PM

Didn't see your post because it was on the "Next Page", Bill.

 

Sorry folks.

 

 

ADM - Is there anything that you could do about having to go to the Next Page?

 

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#29 genethethird

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 03:37 PM

Aw man, burn. Oh well (:



#30 Mr. Bill

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Posted 08 August 2014 - 04:14 PM

No biggie....a month from now and all will be forgotten.

 

You will be happy with your choice......



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Posted 09 August 2014 - 10:17 PM

I get that a lot of folks recommend the Fuji's over the Ultra's,  but what is the reason?  I love my Obie 15x70 Ultras...

 

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 01:01 AM

I get that a lot of folks recommend the Fuji's over the Ultra's,  but what is the reason?  I love my Obie 15x70 Ultras...

 

Patrick

Well, the reason certainly isn't that the Obie's are bad. It's just that the Fuji is that good. One of the reasons often pointed to is the field flattener inside the Fuji 10x50. It can make quite a difference when looking at large star fields.



#33 Erik Bakker

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:19 AM

I had both The Fuji FMT-SX 10x50 and the Fuji Filters. These binoculars are fantastic for deep sky observing. The nebular filters make the field dimmer and greener, but don't make any object I observed stand out better, so I recommend you do not buy or pursue the Fuji Nebular Filters. For the price, there is nothing better than the FMT-SX 10x50 in this aperture and magnification. It will take at least US $ 2.000 to improve on these. Notably the Swaro SLC 10x56 and Zeiss FL 10x56. The Swaro EL 10x50 is also very nice. For me the lack of center focus and the bulk of the Fuji's were the motivation to spend a little more and get the Zeiss FL 10x56. Love them. But the Fuji's have a wider and flatter field. On all other points, the Zeiss do better for me. But that comes at a price.



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:10 AM

I get that a lot of folks recommend the Fuji's over the Ultra's,  but what is the reason?  I love my Obie 15x70 Ultras...

 

Patrick

 

Patrick,

 

I recommend that you read Ed Zarenski's binocular reports on 10x50 binoculars and the Oberwerk Ultra 15x70

 

CN Binocular Reports

 

They are right next to each other on the linked page. A pithy summary of the Fujinon 10x50 FMT-SX is at the end of the 10x50s report.

 

I have both the Garrett-branded version of Kunming United Optics BA8 Series 15x70 and the Fujinon 10x50 FMT-SX. I enjoy using both when observing. Although they are dissimilar in size, the Fujinon is the better binocular. 


Edited by Man in a Tub, 10 August 2014 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2014 - 10:36 AM

Yup, Fujis everytime. The 10x50 FMT-SX is the single best astro investment I ever made and thanks to this site I've made quite a few good ones.

 

They really are as good as everyone says and in the States you get them for a very fair price.

 

Do it!



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Posted 12 August 2014 - 02:17 PM

 

I get that a lot of folks recommend the Fuji's over the Ultra's,  but what is the reason?  I love my Obie 15x70 Ultras...

 

Patrick

 

Patrick,

 

I recommend that you read Ed Zarenski's binocular reports on 10x50 binoculars and the Oberwerk Ultra 15x70

 

 

Done...Lots of good data there. 

 

One of the reasons often pointed to is the field flattener inside the Fuji 10x50. It can make quite a difference when looking at large star fields.

 

 

 

The field flatness would be the single biggest factor for me, I think.  I find it more difficult for my aging eyes to accommodate field curvature.

 

Patrick



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Posted 23 September 2014 - 12:18 PM

I've been following this thread with great interest.  I went for it and bought (second hand) a pair of Fuji 7x50  FMT-SX bino's.  All I can say is WOW. You guys were so right. To be honnest I have never owned a 'nice' pair of binoculars of this size.  I am loving them for Astronomy. Even with the extra 1 pound of weight they are so worth it. I decided to go with the 7x50 ONLY because the 10x might be a bit much for me to hand hold.  I would love to compare the 7x to the 10x one day to see if maybe I should have gone with the higher power.  I know the exit pupil would be a better fit for my eyes with 10x pair.

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 01:20 PM

The Fuji 7x50s are a very good glass, second only to the Nikon 7x50 Prostars at 7x, However the Fuji 10x50s in performance and the extra feel are well special......  



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Posted 23 September 2014 - 01:25 PM

 I went for it and bought (second hand) a pair of Fuji 7x50  FMT-SX bino's.

 All I can say is WOW. You guys were so right.

To be honnest I have never owned a 'nice' pair of binoculars of this size.

I am loving them for Astronomy. Even with the extra 1 pound of weight they are so worth it.

I decided to go with the 7x50 ONLY because the 10x might be a bit much for me to hand hold.

David

I did the same thing, awhile back, with my used Fujinon 7x50 FMTR-SX & have never had any regrets.  :like: 

The Fujinon 7x50 is a  great place to start, you can always move up to 10x for Christmas. :grin: 

 

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Posted 24 September 2014 - 06:33 AM

If you like the 7x you'll likely love the 10x.

 

I used to have the 7x50 FMT, but sold it when I got the 10x. At night I found the 10x much more involving and it revealed a lot more. 10x should be hand holdable for most folks from a good chair.

 

However, the 7x was incredible by day. Just so sharp and required almost no focussing due to the lower power. I loved the 7mm exit pupil for the "instant view" feeling, but at night the stars looked ragged as my eyes can open to 7mm+. 5mm Exit pupil sharpens things up dramatically for me.

 

If you like the view and feel of a 7x50 at night the Fuji is a keeper. Good luck with it!



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:16 AM

If you like the 7x you'll likely love the 10x.

 

However, the 7x was incredible by day. Just so sharp and required almost no focussing due to the lower power. I loved the 7mm exit pupil for the "instant view" feeling, but at night the stars looked ragged as my eyes can open to 7mm+. 5mm Exit pupil sharpens things up dramatically for me.

 

I do see the outer 80% is a little 'fuzzy'   I know because of light polution and being over 50 my eyes are no way opening up to 7mm.  So, the 5mm of the 10x50's will make the view even better/sharper? 



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Posted 24 September 2014 - 10:36 AM

well, it's likely a 5mm EP will show sharper stars for you. It does for a lot of folk because even though your pupils may not open to 7mm, they will be close and the 7mm EP of the 7x50 means you involve the edge of the lens in your eye itself. This inevitable means a poorer image.

 

A lot of people (myself included) notice a further increase in sharpness as you move to 4mm, then again to 3mm. This is due to the image forming light in the exit pupil only striking the centre of your eye lens, where images are sharpest.

 

I should add, all else being equal.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:49 PM

Will you guys stop it, I have the Fuji clones but everytime I read about the real article I feel I should have pushed the boat out farther and got the real thing, DA. :undecided:


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 11:36 PM

David,

 

The 7x50 FMT was my first really good binocular too, and quite a revelation it was.  If you are seeing soft stars near the edge I expect its because your eyes don't accommodate well enough to deal with the considerable field curvature, about 3 diopters from center to edge.  Same here, at age 64. Soft stars in the center would suggest that your eye's lens has some imperfections in the portion that is uncovered  in open pupil dark adaptation. Both problems are addressed  by the 10x50, which has field flatteners in the eyepieces (vs merely a misleading F in the name of the 7x) and of course its smaller exit pupil, which is less challenging to the aging eye whose lens (like teeth) does not get better with age, and more useful because most of the 50mm of light you paid for actually enters the eye.

 

I agree with both Rich and Erik--the 10x50 Fuj is a great astro instrument, and the 10x56 Zeiss FL is even better except its edge is soft, and that might still pull the Fuj ahead for some people.  But the 7x50 is perfect for wide field work in a dark sky, easy to hold and unbelievably easy on the eyes, and by day it's a real screamer, you can put it up against anything.  If you want a 7x50 with a flat field, that would be the Nikon Prostar.

 

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 01:46 PM

David,

 

The 7x50 FMT was my first really good binocular too, and quite a revelation it was.  If you are seeing soft stars near the edge I expect its because your eyes don't accommodate well enough to deal with the considerable field curvature, about 3 diopters from center to edge.  Same here, at age 64. Soft stars in the center would suggest that your eye's lens has some imperfections in the portion that is uncovered  in open pupil dark adaptation. Both problems are addressed  by the 10x50, which has field flatteners in the eyepieces (vs merely a misleading F in the name of the 7x) and of course its smaller exit pupil, which is less challenging to the aging eye whose lens (like teeth) does not get better with age, and more useful because most of the 50mm of light you paid for actually enters the eye.

 

I agree with both Rich and Erik--the 10x50 Fuj is a great astro instrument, and the 10x56 Zeiss FL is even better except its edge is soft, and that might still pull the Fuj ahead for some people.  But the 7x50 is perfect for wide field work in a dark sky, easy to hold and unbelievably easy on the eyes, and by day it's a real screamer, you can put it up against anything.  If you want a 7x50 with a flat field, that would be the Nikon Prostar.

 

Ron

Well if you consider the difference in the US buck and the Canadian Loony (9%), then shipping, customs duty (13%) plus customs handling the 10x50 will come in at around $800 Canadian if ordered from Eagle Optics USA, no one seems to handle these in Canada. That's a pile of money for a 10x50 binocular, I would hope they leave the Nikon Action EX,s and the Kummings Clones  in the dust???, I can afford them but can I justify them?, however I may be have gone to the great whiskey distillery in sky a few years down the road??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,Dave :p (double hmmmmmmmmmmmm) :grin: .


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Posted 26 September 2014 - 02:02 PM

Dave,

 

Have another snort and then order the Fujis - Life's all too short as it is:-(



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Posted 28 September 2014 - 04:39 PM

it's actually not that much money for a 50mm bino of that quality.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 05:38 PM

it's actually not that much money for a 50mm bino of that quality.

 

For comparable performance, you have to go AlphaBin @ 3x-4x more $.


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