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#1 sewhite

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:32 PM

An Astro Physics 175 is on the A-Mart auctions.   This will be fun to watch.  How much do you think

the reserve is and what will be the selling price?  :shocked:

 

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#2 stevenwav

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 02:59 PM

I think he will want $40k for it, and most of the action will stop shy of that at $38k. Then, at the last minute, it'll go to $41k. I will not be participating - lol! 


 

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Posted 18 August 2014 - 07:32 PM

I believe you are right about it being the one from ebay.  If so, he will be expecting a premium price again.  What it actually goes

for, will be determined if there are 2 or more motivated buyers willing to pay top dollar.  I will not be surprised at 30K plus.   Not sure

about it reaching 40, I just don't see it being that much better than other choices such as a TEC, but to each his own.


 

#4 jmfcst

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 12:57 PM

looks like the same one from fleabay.  Didn't the last one go for $27K?  not sureā€¦.

 

where did you get your $27k figure?  this is the first one up for public sale that I have seen.  

 

I am guessing a mint-in-box AP175 OTA would fetch $38-43k...above $43k and you start talking serious money :lol:


 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:06 PM

 How much do you think the reserve is and what will be the selling price?  :shocked:

 

Stan

 

My guess for reserve price for this OTA:  $33k

My guess for final auction price for this OTA:  $38,650, with point deductions for: unboxing, mounting and listing-pulling it on eBay.


Edited by jmfcst, 22 August 2014 - 01:07 PM.

 

#6 GJJim

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:25 PM

 

 

where did you get your $27k figure?  this is the first one up for public sale that I have seen.  

 

I am guessing a mint-in-box AP175 OTA would fetch $38-43k...above $43k and you start talking serious money :lol:

 

 

The same guy auctioning the AP175 sold his RHA last week for ~$27K.  Two ultra-rare OTAs going, going...


 

#7 jmfcst

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 01:49 PM

The same guy auctioning the AP175 sold his RHA last week for ~$27K.  Two ultra-rare OTAs going, going...

 

 

From what I can see, Robert Nonnemann was the astromart user who auctioned off the RHA, the AP175 is being auctioned off by Bob Kuperinsky.

 

But you are correct about the RHA, it went for $27K.  Though I would expect the AP175 to resale for considerably more than that due to it being more versatile.


 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 06:48 PM

 

 

 

where did you get your $27k figure?  this is the first one up for public sale that I have seen.  

 

I am guessing a mint-in-box AP175 OTA would fetch $38-43k...above $43k and you start talking serious money :lol:

 

 

The same guy auctioning the AP175 sold his RHA last week for ~$27K.  Two ultra-rare OTAs going, going...

 

doh, that must have been the sale I remembered, it wasn't the 175.  Looks like $27K may be too low.  


 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 07:57 PM

I do not know what they sold for but an AP 175 apo should go for about 30K I would think. Why more? An APM 8" LZOS apo costs about that and I feel certain mine would outperform any 175 apo out there. Just my opinion of course. I did own Tom Backs AP 180 F/9 EDT which was deemed by many as being optically perfect at the same time I owned my TMB LZOS 8". However if the fact that it is an AP pushes the price up I don't know what it might go for. My AP 10" Maksutov cost $27K and a very nice TEC 10" Maksutov might sell for???

 

An AP175 is a 6.9" scope after all.


Edited by JimP, 22 August 2014 - 09:37 PM.

 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:37 PM

I do not know what they sold for but an AP 175 apo should go for about 30K I would think. Why more? 

 

Mine was $20,800. The asking price set by AP.  Why more?... because of the limited availability, because Roland and Marge have made a name for themselves featuring quality and hitting a nitch market.  Who knows, It makes no sense really.  It's a cult following for most. It's an investment, an object of perceived and realized value. Crazy, but, I'm glad I'm in the game.


 

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Posted 22 August 2014 - 09:55 PM

I do not know what they sold for but an AP 175 apo should go for about 30K I would think. Why more? An APM 8" LZOS apo costs about that and I feel certain mine would outperform any 175 apo out there. Just my opinion of course. I did own Tom Backs AP 180 F/9 EDT which was deemed by many as being optically perfect at the same time I owned my TMB LZOS 8". However if the fact that it is an AP pushes the price up I don't know what it might go for. My AP 10" Maksutov cost $27K and a very nice TEC 10" Maksutov might sell for???

 

An AP175 is a 6.9" scope after all.

Jim,

 

Why did a 1962 Ferrari GTO sell for $38 million last week out here in Pebbel Beach at the annual Cours de Elegance?  That car originally sold for $18.5k, wasn't the fastest sports car around, and needed a lot of maintenance to run well.  It's all about desirability, value (yes, value), and future sale appreciation.  Astro-Physics will always hold this prestige way past my lifetime.

 

Happy hunting!


Edited by Peter Natscher, 22 August 2014 - 09:58 PM.

 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 12:12 AM

Keeping in mind there where only 54 (to the best of my knowledge) of the 175's made.  That has to have something to do with the desirability.  As far as the 130's,  aren't those far more readily available. There must be 10 times more manufacturers of 130 APO's vs the count-on-one-hand for larger sizes (160 and up).

Also, it might be only 6.9 inches but as Roland states..."I am happy to say that this scope performs up to my full expectations. The design is topnotch using the best glasses available polished to a high degree of perfection. The lenses will be coated with very low reflection multi-layers - less than 0.2% average reflection per surface. The design is broad spectrum correction, for both visual and CCD imaging. The glass is ultra-clear BK7 crown mated to Ohara FPL53 premium ED glass. The result is magic."  There you have it... let the unbridled bidding continue.


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 07:34 AM

30K+ for just a 175mm?

 

:scratchhead:

 

Sorry, but i think i'll pass...


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 08:14 AM

30K+ for just a 175mm?

 

:scratchhead:

 

Sorry, but i think i'll pass...

 

Agree! But we know that refractor is expensive! Meade 14" LX200 ACF with mount for $6,999 while Explore Scientific 6 inch F8 refractor OTA for about $6,999! TeleVue 127mm for over 7000 dollars! Ouch!


Edited by Illinois, 23 August 2014 - 08:15 AM.

 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 09:30 AM

Oh, I agree with what everyone has said about the rareness and the value of this AP scope. I was just guessing at what it would sell for. I own one of the few AP 10" Maksutovs and I "paid" a heck of a price for it but, I am very happy with it and have no interest in selling. At this moment I am thinking about getting an AP refractor for the reasons stated in terms of desirability, in many ways just to have one. Period. I bought my first apo from Marj and Roland and was able to order it with mount and get both within 6 months (AP 155 F/7 with 600 mount). Yes that was a few years back. AP has always been my favorite although I have not hesitated to buy TMB LZOS and Takahasi when an AP was either not available, or not available in the size(s) I wanted. 


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 09:32 AM

Actually the old brain is not working at 100% this morning. The first scope I ordered from AP was the 155 but prior to that Roland sold me an AP 6" F/12 Folded Super Planetary which he had built as an experiment. It sold me on the quality of AP scopes. 


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 09:39 AM

AP's 175 f/8 EDF is a wonderful instrument for photo-visual applications.  It offers a substantial performance increase over the AP155 f/7 EDF, which is no slouch.  If one is interested solely in lunar, solar, planetary, brighter DSO work, the AP180 f/9 EDT would be a better value (if one's mount can handle the longer tube).  If I had no CFO at home, I would have kept both the 175 and 180 (sold the latter for what I paid).


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 11:04 AM

Seems bidding has come to slight lull....   holding at $24,100.  Now that's a bargin!   If I did not have a CFO, I would jump on it to make a great bino scope!


 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 07:22 PM

Seems bidding has come to slight lull....   holding at $24,100.  Now that's a bargin!   If I did not have a CFO, I would jump on it to make a great bino scope!

 

Or maybe that's what the market currently values it at.


Edited by RodgerHouTex, 23 August 2014 - 07:23 PM.

 

#20 Stephen Kennedy

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 10:53 PM

While it may be the best 175 mm telescope you can buy, it is still only a 175 mm telescope. Check at Officina Stellaire and you will find that for the same money you can buy a premium 360 mm Ritchy-Cretien Cassegrain.
 

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 11:12 PM

Yeah its just only a 175 F8  We who own them will remember that next time we take ours out. That 360mm RC for the same money because of its weight is likely to stay home and not be used. The 175 F8 weigh's in at 43 pounds what does that RC weight in at 120lbs? That really is not portable. All my observing is don by traveling up to a hundred miles to get dark skies. On short nights I'm likely to do a smaller scope. Last the Refractor is unobstructed and its coatings are top notch and gives some of the best planetary images a scope of this size class can give. Also I have had comments from other very experienced observers that this particulier AP example does better than 200mm and 250mm Refractors. Of course that is anecdotal and not to be considered.


 

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 06:58 AM

While it may be the best 175 mm telescope you can buy, it is still only a 175 mm telescope. Check at Officina Stellaire and you will find that for the same money you can buy a premium 360 mm Ritchy-Cretien Cassegrain.

 

 

One can always find something with a larger aperture for less money...If you want an R-C, then go for it..   This is not only about the quality of the scope, but about a piece of history, something very collectible, something that will appreciate in value.. 

 

I am not an auction type.. What I can't figure out is why not just state the minimum and let the haggling start there.  This way most of the auction is spent discovering not only what the reserve is but also what others are willing to pay.. Why not just cut to the chase.. 

 

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#23 Dwight56

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:47 AM

The RC is not my first consideration for a Visual scope anyway's. Realistically a C14 either Version HD or non HD would do just as well and it only weigh's in at 45 lbs give or take. But......  ITS NOT A REFRACTOR!!!!!


 

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 07:52 AM

At 29 Hrs to go and the bid is at 26,211.00 how high will this go. 


Edited by Dwight56, 24 August 2014 - 07:53 AM.

 

#25 JimP

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 08:12 AM

Yeah its just only a 175 F8  We who own them will remember that next time we take ours out. That 360mm RC for the same money because of its weight is likely to stay home and not be used. The 175 F8 weigh's in at 43 pounds what does that RC weight in at 120lbs? That really is not portable. All my observing is don by traveling up to a hundred miles to get dark skies. On short nights I'm likely to do a smaller scope. Last the Refractor is unobstructed and its coatings are top notch and gives some of the best planetary images a scope of this size class can give. Also I have had comments from other very experienced observers that this particulier AP example does better than 200mm and 250mm Refractors. Of course that is anecdotal and not to be considered.

 

I agree that you are comparing apples to oranges when you compare this apo to a 360mm RC. I, for one, would love to have the refractor but would have no real interest in a 360mm RC. I love Astro-physics scopes because of Roland and Marj and the whole group of people from Daleen to Christine and Harvey and everyone else at AP. It is a first class operation made up of some of the finest people I have ever dealt with. 

 

A scope like this, to me, is a once in a lifetime dream scope and even though I predicted it will sell for $30K I know there was a time when I might have paid more (!) for it (unfortunately being semi-retired I am out of the running! lol).  Having owned and used apochromatic refractors from 80mm to 250mm I can say when you get to this aperture you have arrived when it comes to visual observing. Just my opinion but the list of apos I have owned gives me some room at the table for this discussion. Yes, it is 175mm but it probably represents, along with the 130 GT, the absolute height of craftsmanship that Roland Christen has reached in his long career and an owner of such a scope has something far more valuable that just a 175mm apo. 

 

I would LOVE to own it myself and I have an 8" F/9 TMB LZOS and a 10" F/9 LZOS in observatories. This would be an absolute jewel and an heirloom  for me or anyone lucky enough to get their hands on one.


Edited by JimP, 24 August 2014 - 09:04 AM.

 






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