Zhumell Z10 on homebuilt base (leveling feet, degree circle, Wixy alt, lights, eyepiece case, wine cellar) and custom hand cart WO 80 mm ZenithStar, C102ED, Coronado PST, C8, ES127ED iOpton SmartEq, CG-4 mount, AT Voyager mount, iOptron ZEQ25, iOptron iEQ45 mount Eyepieces - yes 10 x 50 Pentax PCF WPII binos iPad with Skysafari & SkyWire Samsung SDC-435, Canon T3i (Gary Honis Baader mod), Canon SX-40, ASI120MC
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http://www.faintfuzzy.net Stuff C14, C8, Orion XX14i, Meade 8" ACF, AT6RC, AT102ED, Orion ED80, PST, AP1600GTO, CGE, CG5, ST10-XME/CFW8, QHY8PRO, Optec TCF-s, Microtouch Focuser, Pyxis LE, Hyperstar for C8.
Quote:We seem to be in a mount revolution or is it just me that thinks that way? All of a sudden there is some flurry of activity on the mount horizon with new mounts either already out or coming soon. Choices seem to be growing day by day. Let’s get the discussion started; table below is just a primer (corrections welcome!).What does this revolution mean for old contenders and new players? I feel mount playing field is going to get leveled at a different level, i.e., more affordable level I mean than anticipated which is a good thing.Let’s keep the discussion focused on mounts accessible to large majority of astronomers instead of getting into the hypotheticals of tens of $K figure mounts.Then there are other ramifications; in the modern era of ever evolving mounts, does it even make sense to make one time/lifelong investments in mounts? Is a new norm to invest in something that will get you by for few years and then put yourself in a new one every few years or so.Mount technology is evolving, from metallurgy to electronics (encoders getting cheaper/affordable); do old rules even apply to such decision making? Who knows the best you buy today will be obsolete in a year or so at the pace things are moving? Are mounts becoming more expendable? Are we to adopt more of a PC model where every so often, whether you like it or not, you are bound to upgrade or ye be left in the dust.What does this mean for already struggling ones like Meade with inventories like LX850; did they miss the boat? What does this mean for previously successful ones like Astro-phisics, are they to worry? What does this mean for new comers; will they be big boys on the block?Then there are international ramifications, US, Italian, Chinese, etc. Who will win in the end, the price and the quality battle?Last but not least, is astrophotography driving all this; it has to be. Photo astronomy future looks bright!Note: I have kept the list limited to not blow it out of proportion; we can grow it as we go. Let me know if I have missed any significant NEW ones?IMPORTANT: Tripod/pier weights are not included. Focus on ‘Weight of Head’; total weight is just my way of simply adding everything up with the exception of tripod/base to get an idea of the mass.
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Ok, equipment list…for reference purposes only!
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10Micron GM2000HPS, 10Micron GM1000HPS, SW NEQ6 Takahashi FSQ106 EDX III, SW 190MN, TS Riccardi 130 f/5.2 SBIT ST-8300M, QSI 683wsg8 SX Wheel, Baader 2" filters, Baader 36mm filters, Astrodon QSI filters http://astro.frejvall.se
Quote:And those people who are not considering the LX850? Too bad, you are missing out on a great, well built mount.
Mike ZS66, ZS80, TV85, FLT110 Cats ETX90, C6, C8, C11 Mounts Panoramic, Nexstar, Eq-5, GP, Heq-5, CGE QSI 583wsg, Watec 120N+, Canon60Da,etc., etc.
Quote:ASA has both direct drive and encoders.And it's not on this list??Arguably ASA has the most revolutionary technologies in a single mount.
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Quote:Of these I think that the Linear Fast Reverse is the most interesting.
ASA DDM60 Pro, Officina Stellare Veloce RH200, Canon FD 300mm F/2.8, SBIG STF-8300M http://www.flickr.com/photos/67018317@N07/
Quote:Direct driveIt will be a few years before this matures into easily handled products.../per
Quote:The Mesu 200 is a direct drive mount and the tracking is superb.It is manufactured in Holland so it could be a expensive to import but it is a great mount and the manufacturer always answers his phone or emails very promptly.Vince
Quote:only one under $10K seems ASA DDM60 Direct Drive and that's even WITHOUT CW shaft; is that right? Who sells mounts without shafts;
Quote:Why don't you add Mesu to the list
Quote:Quote:Why don't you add Mesu to the listLot of good info; most new for me. Would you have link for relevant Mesu EQ mount/specs. Regards
Quote:As for having both encoders and direct drive; can you find a mount that has direct drive and no encoders? /per
Quote:GIR, I think you have to cool down a bit. I didn't forget the ASA mount per se as everyone knows that they are "the" direct drive mount company right now. I didn't mention EQ8 either, in its own right a modern low price blow to the market.I mentioned Skyvision because I think most people haven't heard of it. Simple as that. And it shouldn't go on the list because it is way too expensive.So, please stop bashing now./p
Quote:Also curious even the CGEPro is not in the table.
Quote:Yes, that was my whole point: you cannot make a direct drive mount without encoders on the shafts./p
Quote:...put "Absolute, 12Mticks" on the GM1000HPS.
Quote:Quote:Also curious even the CGEPro is not in the table.No big secret, just a startup list. GEPro isn't on the list just like iEQ30/45 aren't; focus being NEWer technologies (AVX being on the list). May get added to the list in due time; and folks are free to add/make their own lists, open and free discussion. Will chime in on LX850, it has a class of its own. Regards
Quote:...curious how the LX850 is not on your table
Quote:For the GM1000HPS, the "?" in the PEC column of your table - is "A-PEC" - automatic PEC (it trains itself via the encounters - the end user doesn't do training runs)
Quote:Mach1GTO should not be on your list if you are ignoring legacy, current mounts. Maybe instead include the A-P 1100 instead.
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Orion xx14g Dob CPC 1100 w/Skywatcher 80ED piggybacked Coronado PST TMB 92L refractor AT Voyager mount Nexstar 6/8 mount Denk Big Easy binoviewers Oodles of eyepieces and other optical gadgets Past scopes Meade 8" reflector and 8" SCT
Quote:Given the trend, nothing you buy today, no matter how expensive, is NOT going to last long before getting obsolete or getting superseded; at least that's how I look at it. This aspect in itself should be an incentive for not investing life savings in a mount and should be an important factor for manufacturers to bring the prices down so more of such units could be sold while raking in same profits that otherwise would have been brought in selling very few very expensive ones. And putting quality and technology (e.g., encoders) in lower priced mounts, no matter how contradictory it may sound, is the secret to achieving that goal. I think such change has already begun. Your thoughts?
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Deforked 1979 Orange C8, WO 66mm APO, 80mm f/7 refractor, Sears 60mm refractor, 80mm Orion short tube
Meade LX80 IOptron zEQ25