Quote:"As old as those good designs are, you'd think the Chinese would be able to copy them better without fear of intellectual property violations (do they have such fears?) as certainly the patents have expired by now."
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Quote: "As old as those good designs are, you'd think the Chinese would be able to copy them better without fear of intellectual property violations (do they have such fears?) as certainly the patents have expired by now."FWIW the Chinese don't always have to copy exising designs. They will build to the total quality the importer/original buyer is willing to spend on. I have a couple of high quality Chinese built binos, an 8x42 rooie that is excellent and a 7x50 porro built to military specs that is as rugged as almost any bino I have ever seen in this size.
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Quote:From what I've seen the Chinese "quality control" is so bad that they have trouble manufacturing an existing proven design.
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Quote:IMO, at this point in time, the Chinese are capable of producing the highest quality product. It's a question of price point and marketing that determines what's being made.
Quote:Quote:One of these binoculars (9x35 7.3* Nikon J Pat.) is one of the sharpest binoculars (on axis) that I have ever looked through. Steve Steve,I recently purchased two Japanese Nikon Nippon Kogaku K.K. 7x35 Gold Sentinel 9.3* wide field binoculars, late 1980's vintage.(1986 literature/instruction & specification sheets) One was new and the other one was used.I spent a little time with both, in my backyard, looking at airplanes, birds, squirrels, trees.Sharpness was very impressive considering the fact that I was viewing without my eyeglasses,just to see how they performed. I had the 'used' 7x35 outside, the other evening, and the moon was very sharp & stars were just a little off because of the astigmatismin both eyes. (no eyeglasses)I am very happy and more than satisfied with the performance & build quality of mine. Both were still collimated. Stan
Quote:One of these binoculars (9x35 7.3* Nikon J Pat.) is one of the sharpest binoculars (on axis) that I have ever looked through. Steve
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Binoculars: Miyauchi Saturn III - 33/39/50/71/150x100, WO 22x70ED, Fujinon 16x70 FMT-SX Pentax 10x50 PCF-V, 10x43 DCF-SP, 6.5x21 Papilio
Nikon 10x35 EII, 7x35 E, 8x30 EII, 8x23CF AS Diplomat
B&L 7x26 Custom
Scopes: C9.25, TMB130SS/FT, SV80S-LOMO 80/480
Quote:When you buy a binocular what of the two of the above conditions do you think about, spending not much money knowing that if you lost what you bought, you should not care, or being picky about optics and spending thousands of dollars to have the best optics that your money can buy and keep it? In other words are you a serious observer that buys the best pinpoint stars, the best transmission in order to absorb the last photon of light of that faint nebula or galaxy or are you the one who gets aperture fever to see how that eyecandy object looks like with the bigger aperture and magnification?
Quote:Here's the most recent example, reviewed on another Binoculars Forum. http://www.opticstalk.com/leupold-bx4-mckinley-hd_topic35913.html
Binos: APM100 | Obie 20x80D3 | Resolux 15x70, 7x50 | Nikon AE 12x50, 7x35 | FMT-SX 10x50 | Canon 10x30 | Vanguard ED 8x42
Mounts: AVX | Orion Paragon | Tecnosky eLLe
Telescopes: XT8g | AT6RC | Onyx 80EDF | 102GT | ST80
1.25" EPs: Hyperion 8, 17mm | ES68º: 20, 24mm | ES82º: 4.7, 6.7, 8.8, 11, 14mm
2" EPs: Meade 5k 82º: 24, 30mm | ES100º: 5.5, 9, 14, 20mm
Celestron CPC 1100 Televue 102iis Televue 76 Canon 6D - Canon T1i Celestron CGEM Vortex 10x42 Viper Binoculars
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Quote:Steve,Thanks for the photo. Your brand new Nikon 7x35 find, for $100, is a bargain. I have been keeping my eyes open for a Nikon 9x35 as well.I'm always looking for the lowest price. Please send me a close-up photo of your 9x35 prism covers, via PM, so I can read the information better.Thanks,Stan
Quote:IMO, at this point in time, the Chinese are capable of producing the highest quality product. CNC equipment works the same everywhere.
Quote:IMO, at this point in time, the Chinese are capable of producing the highest quality product. CNC equipment works the same everywhere. It's a question of price point and marketing that determines what's being made.
Quote:I would prefer to get a premium binocular. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to spend $2000+ but I don't see the point in buying junk.
Quote:What would you rather have, 10 used Ford Pintos or one brand new Lexus?
Quote:I have no doubt that I'll be blown away when I look through a Swarovision, Ultravid, or Victory, and will measure all other binoculars against them. I wouldn't buy one though. First, I tend toward "bang for the buck" options. The BA8 or Zen-Ray might not score as many points in a review, but they'd surely provide a lifetime of great service. Secondly, a $2,000 binocular would feel more like a jewel to me than a tool; I just wouldn't be able to relax with it.
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* Celestron NS11 GPS - Stellarvue Raptor 90mm APO* Vixen Ultima 8X56 - Fujinon 10X50 FMT-SX - Nikon 7X50 ProStar - Vanguard Endeavor ED 8X42 - Nikon Action Ex. 7X35More cowbell please!
Quote:Quote:I have no doubt that I'll be blown away when I look through a Swarovision, Ultravid, or Victory, and will measure all other binoculars against them.I am not so sure you would be "blown away" by the $2000 view.
Quote:I have no doubt that I'll be blown away when I look through a Swarovision, Ultravid, or Victory, and will measure all other binoculars against them.
Quote:I am not so sure you would be "blown away" by the $2000 view. The differences between a good quality optic and an excellent optic are in the execution and the fine points. The limitations are still the same, they don't go away. Sharpness is limited by the large exit pupil, the low magnification, small aperture, the fast focal ratios and the fact that you will most likely be hand holding the binoculars... Jon
Quote:For me it's about star sharpness. Once you've looked through a Televue Panoptic or Nagler for a while it's difficult to go back to those eyepieces that don't have as sharpn an image. You feel short changed, particularly if you hate (as I do) ragged stars anywhere near the field stop.Same thing applies to binos, I once had a Helios stellar 15x70 (Orion mini giants in the US) and had fun with it, but after I splashed out on a Fuji 16x70, the image in the Helios compared to the fuji was so obviously inferior that it had to go. I'm no snob when it comes to optics and certainly not an expert observer, but when the image is so much better you have to pay the money for it.
Clear skies, Erik
Visual astronomer, main instruments:
Matthias Wirth 16" f/5 Takahashi FS-102 NSV on EM-10 Celestron 1983 C5
Zeiss, TeleVue and Celestron eyepieces
Nikon 18x70 IF-WP Zeiss Victory FL 7x42 Zeiss Victory FL 10x32
Quote:When they are really well made, they tend to get out of the way more easily.
Quote:That's why I expect alpha binos would be my ideal, but hopefully something like a Zen-Ray or Vortex will strike the right balance.