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Quote:A pitiful caricature of science. Many factual errors, particularly about relativity. The moonings of a self-styled priest in his own made-up church. For the real deal, go to YouTube and look up the 13-part "Ascent of Man". The long and miserable decline into today's Alice in Thunderland world of pseudo-science began with Sagan and his mysticism.
Quote:Sorry to disagree and I’m sure you will flame me for that. But Mr. Sagan sure provided me and many others insight into a world we knew little about and lite a flame that is still burning bright for many.
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Quote:...I watched The Ascent of Man and was taken back by the use of darwinism to support his racist beliefs against native people...
Galagos /ɡəˈleɪɡoʊz/, also known as bushbabies, bush babies or nagapies (meaning "little night monkeys" in Afrikaans), are small, nocturnal primates native to continental Africa, and make up the family Galagidae (also sometimes called Galagonidae). They are sometimes included as a subfamily within the Lorisidae or Loridae.
According to some accounts, the name "bush baby" comes from either the animal's cries or appearance. The South African name nagapie comes from the fact they are almost exclusively seen at night.
Galagos are said to have evolved 40–50 million years ago from slow-moving prosimians that could not compete with larger, faster primates in Africa. The competition was much less at night, so they evolved into the bush babies they are today.
In both variety and abundance, the bush babies are the one most successful primitive primates in Africa, according to the African Wildlife Foundation.[
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Quote:I was there in real time, saw it happen. Knew what was coming.
Quote:~snip~Carl was a popularizer, plain and simple.~snip~
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Quote:Quote:I was there in real time, saw it happen. Knew what was coming.It seems from what you said that you prophesied and then fulfilled it. I was there too! Carl even got my mother (the ultimate non-scientist) into the subject. So much so even that she came with me to watch Carl Sagan do a talk with Isaac Asimov at Carnegie Hall in New York City. Should one accuse Isaac Asimov of the same cult building damage for his speculations in the book Extraterrestrial Civilizations, filled with hypotheses and speculations that would now be considered inaccurate (but the guy was the most prolific science-writing popularizer on Earth, and wrote some good science fiction too!) Carl was a popularizer, plain and simple. Of course there were inaccuracies IN THE '70's!!! Please, some people even believed in Velikovsky's World's in Collision back then! (and please note Carl's countering that as a planetary scientist in the wikipedia article!) And he was countering mysticism and astrology and other belief systems of the time. The things people believed just after the hippie age were necessarily counteracted with stylized popularization, the audience was child-like. And nobody even knew for sure if exoplanets existed yet, and it was even still possible (to a few) that a Steady-State universe existed (back then.) Give the guy a break, he's dead, from another era, would one bash Copernicus for not knowing about the Oort cloud? Besides, if you read the link I provided, you'll see that numerous updates have been made to the series to reflect changes in knowledge, and one series version was significantly edited down to allow for commercials (My mother and I watched the un-cut original series on PBS, and it's what got me even more interested in the subject, and look at what happened to me the staunchest advocate of the scientific method); maybe you were looking at the original series only (with outdated material), or the commercial cut ones? That would really skew ones viewpoint.Jason H.
Quote:Quote:~snip~Carl was a popularizer, plain and simple.~snip~This^^^I believe a modern day version of Carl Sagan is Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson. He gets criticized a lot for "dumbing down science", but I think he makes science interesting.When we watch a program with him either narrating or teaching/lecturing, my kids stay glued to the TV and then, after the show, I get swamped with questions which I either encourage them to look up themselves, especially If I don't know the answer , and/or we look it up together.Most other programs, even science related ones, don't usually result in as many questions nor generate the interest that programs with Dr. Tyson in them do, and as far as I'm concerned I think that's a good thing for Dr. Tyson and his fans.And to stay on topic, I like(d) Carl Sagan too......
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