Brian Even a broken clock is correct twice a day
Quote:There haven't been that many newbie "how much is it worth" incidents to really make it a big deal. Just ignore them if you want, it's your choice.I absolutely oppose any campaign to limit ALL NEWBIES privileges to post here just because of the actions of a small number of people. There's enough of that going on already on other issues outside this forum; we don't need our rights cut because of the actions of a very small group of people.If there were some first post time limits, I probably would not have the Horsetrail Cave in my hands now and I probably would not even be here for that matter. Most newbies first posts are not questions about how much some find is worth so they can sell it. If you don't like those kinds of post, ignore them, or tell them to PM Hellen Waite.
Celestron C8 Registry
"If you want to succeed in the world, you don't have to be much cleverer than other people. You just have to be one day earlier.” -- Leo Szilard
Quote:Maybe a 30 day 30 post rule needs to apply to the classics forum like it does to Shop n swap.
Quote:Quote:Maybe a 30 day 30 post rule needs to apply to the classics forum like it does to Shop n swap.
This rule has much merit for its intended purpose in the Swap and Shop section. However, I really fail to see how it could serve any useful purpose in this or any other forum. It ends up sounding a bit like snobbery...
Tak-106, AP900GTO, Unitrons, Masuyamas
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Quote:Awhile back there was a similar topic about a member that buys scopes and parts them out for a profit. I still have to laugh because some of the members that were firing on about him, were and still are his customers.
Quote:He is part of the Classic telescope economy,
Quote:he is a essential player
Quote:AS ARE WE ALL!
Quote:Back on topic, it is simple supply and demand. You want, you buy, it sells! You don't want, you don't buy, it doesn't sell! Right now people want classic telescopes.
"The White Zone is for loading or unloading of passengers only. No Astrophotography." Cosmic Acres! Greatest restoration challenge: Tulley and Sons 3" achromat on Altazimuth mount, circa ~late 1820s
John Higbee Tasco 60mm 5VTE Refractor - 1964 Edmund 4.25" f/10 Palomar Junior Reflector - 1967 Celestron C8 "orange tube" SCT - 1976 Zhumell Tachyon 25x100 binoculars (2010) w/ Petersen Engineering E-Z Binoc SuperMount - 2013 Edmund Spilhaus Space Clock - 2010 Cave Astrola 12.5" f/6 Reflector - 2012 Criterion RV-6 Dynascope - 2012 Meade ETX90EC - 2013 Meade ETX125PE UHTC - 2013 Towa Model 305 Refractor (60mm, f/15) - 2013 Tower Royal Astro Refractor (76mm, f/16) - 2014
1st Caveman Award!Maynard Clark 8" f/8The Horsetrail Cave 12.5" f/7.51975 Cave 8" f/7 Lightweight Deluxe1972 Cave 8" f/4.5 RFT DeluxeCriterion RV-6Logitech HD C615 Webcam for Imaging
Quote:I propose a $500 retro active registration fee for everyone who registered to CN and has posted on the Classic Telescope Forum after IDK DataPanic in 2009 (Got yer back dude! ) This money could be kept in a fund and drawn upon when a member feels they had to pay too much for another classic scope for their "essential" collection because too much information was available on CN by members who were willing to speak and share freely to a noob poster with something to sell. "I should have gotten the Unitron for $600 but someone here suggested a price of $800! I humbly, or not, apply for a $200 grant to cover the difference between what I paid and what I wanted to pay"... No problem... Ka-ching! Sorry for the inconvience!I also propose a sort of cuss box where if anyone speaks of prices paid for their scopes they must pay some nominal amount for tipping off the rest of the world, via internet, of price points. In the 6345 debacle Terra and Tim jumped in with what they paid for their NOT Sears 6345's. That would be a violation of the rules and incur a fine! I mean now the world knows that these 3" Sears and Mayflower scopes aren't $100 a pop scopes.. like I have been so fortunate to collect. This is going to cut into my collecting you know! I just hate that. I now had to pay $225 for one from a seller who saw that thread and somebody owes me the difference!. Might be you! KA-Ching! When you start realizing that taking into inflation over the years these wonderful instruments are going for prices so far below new prices, often in new condition.. be grateful that you get to meet a few! I ask again WHAT DO YOU WANT? Awesome optics at great prices or a club that excludes people that you don't value until they have proved themselves (to you). Be grateful. If that is the club to be, I'm out, right now. Please let me know because I don't think/ feel the way you do, thank goodness. I have spent 35 years in and around families and individuals that are truely elite. Real people, Politics and atheletes. Governors, Senators, Presidential hopefuls, world class runners, marathoners. The best in the field. I was there by luck not by intelligence or skill or strength, just dumb luck. When I'm told I am sending the wrong message via posts on CN I say really? just watch me! Something the elite that have actually earned the title have taught me, go with your gut. My gut tells me that we can choose to post or choose not to post when someone asks for advice, Case in point the current thread asking for value of an 8" criterion scope. First post ever DRIVE BY charge 'em a fee or shun them? Must wait 30 days? Ridiculus. Terra, take the classics forum and enjoy it. I'm giving my small part of it you. Enjoy! My expe rerience tells me you ain't running with the big dogs and never will. And i was interested to see a few of you offered that the 6345 was overpriced. Based on what? The "last" price point was a basket case for $40 bought by a fantastic CNer in Fla. When John Siple was talking these up in 2010 they went for as high as $XXXX. After that hype they came back down to earth a bit. I bought mine on the way up but i wasn't sharing that with Leonard. Some of you that didn't have a clue were trying to. I bought mine in 2010 for $XXXX + $XXX Shipping. There I have revealed everything. If anyone here wants my Sears 6345 i'll be happy to sell it for $XXXX.XX For my part i ain't sharing anything about prices except in P.M.s. Which if it helps a "not quite past a 30 day trial" or a "noob with just one post" I'm happy to help . There are a few wonderful posters here that are quite full of themselves. And a whole lot more that thank God, aren't. The most worthy of the title are doing better things than whining about how someone, like me, might be straight with a "driver by" sorry Joe, but that is what comes along in the keith kit. Rant quite over. See you again sometime when you realize how smart you really never were, and how smart you could have been all along.
Quote:What's the point? None. That was back in the BBS days, but the rules still make sense today. Most BBS's were dedicated to the Free Exchange of Information, especially RBBS-PC, which I worked alot with for many years. I had a lot to do with that kind of communication back then and still believe that even though BBS's are mostly gone now, the internet users should still be allowed, within means, to raise their hand and post a question or comment for anything they want. Asking a question about the value of a classic scope on a classic scope forum is within reason to me. Where else would you go if you had no idea what a scope was worth and wanted to sell it? It comes with the territory! We say there's no such thing as a stupid question. Well, there are annoying questions for sure, but remember that the person asking it may have no idea. Instead of banning their ability to ask something you don't want to hear, either ignore them or just tell them flat out, without being rude, that you don't like those kinds of questions. But remember the other old saying about first impressions...
"You would think that I am wiser after traveling around the Sun 62 times."
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Quote:When I made my original post on this matter, I was speaking in general of the type of poster that was engendered in one, particularly recent, controversial (look at the debate it inspired), and still questionable (look at what is going on with regard to the pricing of said item currently for sale. It was in this context: Title: Newbie No. Of posts: (1) Paraphrase: "Hey, look what I found! What will you or some 'pidgeon' give me for it?" E-mail: false Behavior: IMHO most questionable to date. This inspired a lot of negativity. I was irked by it, as we're a number of others. I am for my part, sorry for that.
Quote:Refractors are just a very classy looking scope compared to a klunky reflector. Is that what you are saying Tim?
Quote:Let's all (and I am including myself in this) maybe, try and be positive rather than negative, and helpful rather than hurtful, giving consideration to what we write before we push the send button.Terra
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to being alive in a full, unrestricted and inspired way " -- P.Chodrön
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Classic refractors; visual observer, old school.
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