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Quote:Well if I recall Sagan made the original statement in direct reference to the alien abduction tales.
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Quote:I'm late on this thread, but I concur with what was said above. Mr. Sagan's heart was in the right place, but that anecdote is terrible. There is no such thing as "extraordinary" evidence. Either it's evidence, or it's not.
Quote:Regardless of the context
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--------------------- --------------------- "Nothing exists but atoms and empty space. Everything else is opinion." Titus Lucretius Carus 99-55 B.C.
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Quote:But I do know this - I cringe when I hear that quote, because it's often thrown out by default as an easy way to express skepticism without providing any relevant substance to that skepticism. It's quick and easy to say, but not many people who use it really think about what it means or what context it was originally used.
Quote:... An ordinary claim would be that the sun will rise in the morning. The morning sunrise is an everyday occurrence for most people. Predicting it will happen, again, tomorrow is no big deal. Claiming that the sun rises every morning because Earth rotates on its axis at 1,000 miles per hour goes beyond the ordinary. Nobody feels the Earth rotating at this tremendous speed. Other than the Sun's motion across the sky--which could be explained by the Sun orbiting a stationary Earth--there is no obvious evidence to support such a claim. So, if the person making that claim is not prepared to support it in with evidence that goes beyond the ordinary, evidence that is extra-ordinary, they have no grounds for complaint when the public-at-large treats the claim with utter disregard....Bill in Flag
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Quote:Having said that, though, I admit that I'm really tired of seeing it repeated ad nauseum, too. But I disagree with the notion that Sagan was mystically inclined. I think it more likely that he had a good imagination, and felt connected to the universe in a personal way; and he was good at expressing these feelings. We're all like that to some degree, I think.
Quote: I come from the medical field and there are different strengths of evidence. Anecdotal evidence being the weakest and least scientific(as it doesn't involve repeatability). This is what he was referring to with this quote.
Quote:I agree. I think he was pretty strongly convincing against the case of mysticism in the seventh episode of Cosmos. He convinced me enough to dump religion all together. I think he was excellent at pointing out that you can have wonder and spiritual experiences even without it. The universe is a beautiful place to see and to understand!
Quote:You would be amazed at how ossified people become in their thinking. I am having a discussion now of the topic - "Does Inflationary cosmology violate Einstein's equation?" (aside - which one? ...)
Quote:Quote:You would be amazed at how ossified people become in their thinking. I am having a discussion now of the topic - "Does Inflationary cosmology violate Einstein's equation?" (aside - which one? ...)Given the general nature of most people's understanding of these things, I'd guess that person was referring to "e=mc^2" as "Einstein's equation".