Quote:I do have one question, I've only done observing in very light polluted areas, what should I expect when I'm observing in last nights condition?
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Quote:I do have one question, I've only done observing in very light polluted areas, what should I expect when I'm observing in last nights condition? it was really beautiful
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Quote:It was hard for me to recognize the constellations, even Orion was hard to see, because of so many bright stars.
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Quote:There are sites NE and SE of Palomar that have skies between 0.5 and 0.7 magnitudes darker than Palomar.But, though they are darker and more impressive, they will not have the visceral impact going from a coastal city to Palomar will have. That is probably 2.5-3 full magnitudes, and that is impressive.When I go from my home to Desert Center, I gain 4-4.5 magnitudes, and that is so profound I cannot describe it in words. WOWWOWWOW is probably as good as any.
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Quote: People nowadays is so used to the grey sky of big cities that views of Milky Way just paralyzes them.
Quote: what should I expect when I'm observing in last nights condition?
Quote: It's a lot cheaper than getting a bigger scope and often more effective. However, a bigger scope AND darker skies............
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Quote:Quote:I do have one question, I've only done observing in very light polluted areas, what should I expect when I'm observing in last nights condition? it was really beautiful You'll be able to galaxies (maybe for the first time) b
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Quote:The truly sad thing in all of the above is that the kind of skies being talked about with such awe and wonder were a nightly feature for anyone living more than 15 miles, or so miles, outside even major U.S. cities in the 1950's and early 60's. Even for a decade after that it required significantly less than an hour's drive, even from NYC, to get such views.
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Quote: Quote: People nowadays is so used to the grey sky of big cities that views of Milky Way just paralyzes them. A couple of years ago we had a local star-party, out on the fringes of town- mag ~6 skies. But was dark enough that the MilkyWay was very evident, including detail in its structure. Many there, unfamiliar with the MW's true glory, looked up & thot it was a band of fog moving in from the coast. Funny... but sad at the same time; folks don't even know what they're missing, or even that they ARE missing anything!
Quote:Quote:The truly sad thing in all of the above is that the kind of skies being talked about with such awe and wonder were a nightly feature for anyone living more than 15 miles, or so miles, outside even major U.S. cities in the 1950's and early 60's. Even for a decade after that it required significantly less than an hour's drive, even from NYC, to get such views.
Having grown up spending 9 months a year in NYC and 3 months a year in upstate NY, I am exceedingly skeptical of that statement. To be generous, I will interpret that as 1 hour drive from the outer boundary of NYC -- remembering that from some parts of the city it's almost an hour drive just to get to the boundary.
By the early 1970s the suburbs within 1 hour of the NYC boundary were already quite built up -- probably at least 75% of the current population. Even inside Bear Mountain/Harriman State Park, probably the darkest place within that range, I doubt the skies ever got as dark as magnitude 21.0 per square arcsecond -- which isn't exactly wonderful.
I don't have detailed measurements from my country home a half hour from Albany, but my memory is that the skies there were just about the same in the early 70s as they are today. Which is to say that the Milky Way is readily visible summer and winter but definitely lacking in sparkle and snap.
Quote:Be advised that you are dramatically in error about the conditions that prevailed years ago in Westchester and further north. Those were the days of tungsten illumination and the skies just outside major cities were darker than can be found today 75-100 miles away. Night skies immediately outside White Plains NY in the early 60's allowed naked eye detection of 11-12 Pleiades any clear night and up in Dutchess Country at that time sky darkness rivaled Palomar and McDonald Observatories.
Quote:Younger hobbyists like yourself honestly have no concept whatever of how dark skies were, and had been for ages, before the coming of non-tungsten outdoor lighting I'm afraid.
Quote:See http://www.darksky.org/Many things we can do, starting with our own homes and neighborhoods.
Quote:Near Palomar Observatory, maybe quater mile away from the Observatory.