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Quote:I'm currently waiting for some stock to arrive for the CPC 1100 HD deluxe and noticed some lovely refractor setups. I'm particularly drawn to the Tak120 and TRex mount combo as it just looks like a fantastic balance. Although that combo would exceed my 4k budget if if I go through UK dealers I wondered what peoples opinions are when considering the two scopes for visual astronomy?I appreciate they are probably 'chalk and cheese' but clearly not everyone goes down the light bucket route? As such, what would people's preferences be when choosing between the 2 setups?And no, I definitely can't get both so if you are stranded on a desert island which setup (and yes you magically have a PowerTank that never looses its charge)Thanks,
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Quote:thanks Jim and yes, I see where you are coming from. I was thinking of the quality aspect more than anything but I bet you are right, I would be hard pressed to notice the difference.
Quote:First, the CPC may not be the optimal mounting. The fork/OTA is a big, bulky package. Celestron make it ergonomic, but it is still big and bulky.A C11 on a GEM is much more manageable.And this.. If you get a C11 on a GEM you can always use the GEM for a smaller refractor at a later time.You don't have to spend god awful amounts of money on a refractor to get the benefit of the one thing they do really great, which is offering a wide field of view.My advice would be to buy the C11 on a GEM and later complement it with a 120mm Achromat refractor for wide field viewing, or perhaps when your budget has recovered, a nice 120mm ED scope. You can use the same mount for either of them.The only time I would say that super high prices of most high end refractors is worth the investment is for pretty serious astro-photography. For general use, it is over over overkill.You will see just as much in a 120mm ED scope as you will in a high end scope. Subtle difference maybe, but so subtle that you would have to do numerous comparisons to see it.
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Matt in Oz Takahashi Mewlon 210 F11.5 = 2415mm Takahashi TSA120 F7.5 (out on loan) = 900mm Takahashi FC76CSV F7.5 = 570m Takahashi FS60CB F5.9 = 355mm
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Jeff -----TEC 140, Stellarvue SVR90T, SV115T20 and AT65EDQ refractors,Webster D14, C11 EdgeHD Lunt LS60THa solar scope double stacked with LS60FHaTelevue Pan 41; Ethos 21, 17; Nagler 31T5, 9T6, 7T6, 5T6, 3.5T6; Delos 10, 12, ES25, 14, 9Astro-Physics 900GTO with Rob Miller Tri36M TripodDM-4 Mount-Extension-Tripod w/ Sky CommanderDM-6 Mount-Losmandy Adapter/Extension-Berlebach Planet w/ Argo Navis
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Quote: Another thing that perhaps some will object to is the pleasure of using a fine, well-built refractor vs. a mass-produced SCT.
Quote: Quote: Another thing that perhaps some will object to is the pleasure of using a fine, well-built refractor vs. a mass-produced SCT. If one wants a "fine, well-built" scope rather than a mass produced one, there are a variety of custom/premium Newtonians available. SCTs are not the only larger aperture choice. Jon
Quote:Quote: Quote: Another thing that perhaps some will object to is the pleasure of using a fine, well-built refractor vs. a mass-produced SCT. If one wants a "fine, well-built" scope rather than a mass produced one, there are a variety of custom/premium Newtonians available. SCTs are not the only larger aperture choice. Jon Sure, but then set-up time enters the picture. And I think the poster was considering an SCT. Now if I could afford and had time to use an 18" Obsession. . . BillBill
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Quote:Quote:Quote: Quote: Another thing that perhaps some will object to is the pleasure of using a fine, well-built refractor vs. a mass-produced SCT. If one wants a "fine, well-built" scope rather than a mass produced one, there are a variety of custom/premium Newtonians available. SCTs are not the only larger aperture choice. Jon Sure, but then set-up time enters the picture. And I think the poster was considering an SCT. Now if I could afford and had time to use an 18" Obsession. . . BillBill Bill:I am not sure what you mean by "setup time" entering the picture. It takes me about 10 minutes to setup either my 12.5 inch or 16 inch truss style dobs, out of the car, one isn't going to setup a 11 inch SCT any faster than that. Jon
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Quote:I have a C11 XLT, an unusually good C8, and an ostensibly perfect AP 130 EDFGT. If I could only keep one, the C11 and the C8 are gone. -Rich