The Cheapest Astronomer in the World gets excited by Jupiter. Builds dob, builds eq platform, arranges to borrow webcam...
Quote: Still, I seriously consider throwing money at this hobby in hopes of enjoying it more. The nagging doubt remains, though, as to whether I had more fun when my own scope, whatever it was, was the best scope in the universe.Regards,Brad
Quote: Reading planetary observers rave about seeing "much more detail than I could take in" and endless descriptions of "minute pinpricks on a background of black velvet," not to mention dust lanes, faint planetaries, solar flares, Airy discs and the moons of Jupiter as perfect discs.I am now painfully aware of the limitations of my equipment and of myself as an observer. Reading the forums, it would appear that the gear is out there to do what I want. Of course, it is an order of magnitude more expensive than what I already have.
"You're not afraid of the dark, are you?" - Riddick "The best scientists are humble. They seek to understand, not to ensure their legacy, but merely to understand." - Mori
I have more money than brains. And I haven't got that much money. WB4RJK Astronomy is looking up! http://www.farrout.org
Orion XT12g 12" f/4.92 GoTo Dob Orion 9x50 RACI - Green Laser Pointer Orion 4.5" f/4 EP: ES82 30mm, ES68 24mm EP: Hyperion 21, 17, 13, 10, 8, 5mm Various filters, including Skyglow, UHC, O-III Celestron Ultima 2x Barlow Celestron 12x80 binoculars & mount
12 Skywatcher Collapsible Dobsonian (coming soon)
Celestron C102 HD " Carl"
Scope brand 60mmx 700mm " widger scope"
Celestron Comet catcher(orange tube)"Scott"
60mm Telescope Club
Quote: I know my equipment isn't the best, no Zambuto mirrors around here. But I am happy with it because I know that together we see some amazing things and I know that there are plenty more to be seen.
DreamCatcher Dobservatory/AstroTech 16" dob.
Quote:I joined my local astro club, sold the 8" dob, got a 10" dob, started ATMing again, built a this and that and a 12" dob and now have a couple of cases of collimation tools and eyepieces. . . .I am no longer ever satisfied with the equipment that I have now after decades of enjoying whatever equipment that I had. Reading planetary observers rave about seeing "much more detail than I could take in" and endless descriptions of "minute pinpricks on a background of black velvet," not to mention dust lanes, faint planetaries, solar flares, Airy discs and the moons of Jupiter as perfect discs.
First and foremost observing love: naked eye.
Last but not least, telescopes.
And I sometimes dabble with cameras.
Money can't buy happiness, but it sure makes living with misery a lot easier!
My eyepieces are made from the waste product of exploding stars.
10XTi 102XLT ST80A(2" Focuser); President, Eypieces Anonymous, Denver Chapter (Hello, I'm an eyepiece junky, what's your excuse?)
DAS Dark Site
Starsplitter 20" Dob
Celestron 11 GPS
AstroZap 152mm Achro
Sears Discovery 80mm Achro
Quote:As sg6 touched on, I suspect it is a matter of expectations.At this point, I have been working nights for almost 4 years. I have a job that is for me, a bit stressful. Every night it is a "stand and deliver" situation where my work is known, important, and scrutinized. (For the telecom knowledgeable, I work in a NOC.)This gives rise to two conditions: Scarcity of observing opportunity, and, at times, a need for something "special" out of an observing session. I just don't have the time to get out and my backyard sessions in light polluted skies are a bit on the frustrating side. I do not recall saying that I have NEVER seen Jupiter's moons as discs, never seen this never seen that... I have, but very infrequently. I hope too and EXPECT to have have a good night with some frequency and I believe this is where the equipment acquisition thing picks up. Better mechanicals hopefully mean few nights with something annoying that is not specifically about the observing experience. Better optics hopefully means that you at least have the confidence that you are getting something near what the night is capable of allowing every time out. Those things are the reason that I would want better equipment.When I observed in ignorance, in a leisurely fashion, it was more fun.B
Quote:Despite my general protestations that one does not need to have premium equipment to observer well, I do strongly suspect that general annoyance may be lower with really good equipment. In fact, I have a good mind to fire the guy who builds most of my equipment. Of course, if I do that, I will have nothing to occupy my time when it's cloudy.B
Quote:Quote:Despite my general protestations that one does not need to have premium equipment to observer well, I do strongly suspect that general annoyance may be lower with really good equipment. In fact, I have a good mind to fire the guy who builds most of my equipment. Of course, if I do that, I will have nothing to occupy my time when it's cloudy.B I reminds me of a saying about golf and NASCAR. A a good observer can see more with marginal equipment than another can see with excellent equipment.
Quote:The question is, after that guy drives that car or uses those sticks and does better than someone else can do with better equipment, does he also end up saying "Dang, that was frustrating driving that junk!" I suspect they would feel that way and that is what I am talking about.
A a good observer can see more with marginal equipment than another can see with excellent equipment.
Orion XT12i with Swayze-refigured primary & Protostar secondary
Televue NP101 refractor
William Optics Megrez 90 refractor
Universal Astronomics Deluxe Mounts
Clear skies - Jim Crazy PNW imager !
A-P Mach1 on 12" concrete pier - ROR structure.
Tak FSQ85-EDX, Tak FS-128. Orion 8" f/3.9 w/MoonLite motorized - MPCC MkIII CCD:
SBIG 8300M/FW8, Astrodon 36mm LRGB, 5nm Ha, 3nm SII, OIII - Canon EOS 6D unmod SSI3, SSAG,
Skytools3pro, MaxImDLpro, PSCS5, PSPpro, TheSkyX, TheSky6, BYE, StarTools
Orion XX14g -for visual- diags, ep's, accy tubes, Binocs .
Quote:Simple human nature. You've tasted the forbidden fruit and like everyone else, feel you need more. By no means is astronomy the only hobby that has this problem, but it is amplified as opposed to some other hobbies.
Quote: now I cannot seem to locate the exit.
Quote:The thing is that in THIS hobby, there are quantifiable objective differences between pieces of equipment.
-DannyMy warehouseMy Channel
Quote:Quote: A a good observer can see more with marginal equipment than another can see with excellent equipment. Galileo is an exellent example illustrating both the truth and the limitations of that statement. - Consider how much he got out of a relatively primitive 30mm refractor capable of magnifying but 30x with an extremely narrow field of view!- OTOH consider how immensely much more he would have certainly got out of a Televue NP101 on a solid tripod and undriven alt-az mount with a full set of Ethos eyepieces and a 2x Powermate to work with!Observing skill and experience certainly does powerfully enhance what can be obtained with any given set of equipment, but likewise quality equipment certainly does powerfully enhance what can be obtained with observing skill and experience. It's a mutual feedback loop, although getting beyond just a superficial threshold of value from any given set of observing equipment does depend on the extent of skill and experience brought to it. Galileo's situation illustrates the converse as well: the limitations of one's equipment can limit what even a skilled observer can extract from it, take Galileo's uncertainty over what the true nature of Saturn's "handles" was for but one example.
Quote: A a good observer can see more with marginal equipment than another can see with excellent equipment.
14" Strut; 10"XT; 102ES; 22 in Process; 3.5,5,7,10,14,20mm Pentax XW; 17.3 & 12mm Delos; 27mm Panoptic; 20&24mm ES 68; 24mm ES 82; 30mm ES 82; 6&10mm BCO;