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First and foremost observing love: naked eye.
Last but not least, telescopes.
And I sometimes dabble with cameras.
Quote:1. Many people have binoculars anyway so it may be a zero cost route into observing hardware.2. Binoculars are ideal to carry with you (or in your car) at all times.
Quote:The wide field low power view obtained using "normal" binoculrs (something like 10x50) is ideal for observing some of the larger deep sky objects e.g. the Orion nebula M42, the Andromeda galaxy M31 and many star clusters.
Quote:It's perfectly true that "ordinary" binoculars are not good for planetary observing (though they will give an impressive view of the Moon & show Jupiter's four Galilean satellites plus Titan, Uranus and Neptune, and many asteroids) but then cheap scopes don't show a great deal more.
Quote:It's perfectly true that a high quality, small aperture refractor will show more than ordinary binoculars - but there is a very significant cost & weight penalty once you add on the mount.
Quote:............ This topic therefore is primarily for me to understand why suggest Binoculars when its a telescope a beginner wants.
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Quote:Scopes are scopes and if a first timer seeks this advice, we should recommend scopes ( most of us do ) though there will always be different opinions regarding type, portability, budget etc., Binoculars can be termed as an accessory handy for general viewing of the skies. I can hardly think of a Binocular being able to show me steady views of Planets unless I have them mounted on some sort of a tripod or monopod. Even then views are not going to be same as what we get to see through scopes ( there are exceptions but so is the cost involved ).
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2 ST80s; ED80; 3 CCD cameras; 5 EQ mounts: all polished, tuned, and modified.
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Quote:Binoculars are easy and simple to operate and find those first few DSOs.
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Quote:I hope you don't mind if I weigh in on this again. After reading the posts, I can see that this issue is like most other issues, there are a lot of differences of opinions. So I don't think there is a yes-or-no answer as weather on not to recommend a pair of binoculars instead of a telescope. I would suggest that if one is asked which is the better choice, then it's best to give the pros and cons of each because let's face it, on just about everything there are plusses and minuses. After listening to the plusses and minuses, a person can then make a decision.
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Quote:Quote:Binoculars are easy and simple to operate and find those first few DSOs.Binoculars are indisputably easy and simple to operate. Moreover, I'm on record as saying that all amateur astronomers should own hand-holdable binoculars -- as should all other people who can see with two eyes. In addition to being great for viewing the night sky, they're wonderful for birds, ball games, boats, and a thousand other uses.So one could make a good argument that if everyone will end up with both binoculars and a telescope, why not get the simpler and cheaper instrument first?The answer to that is that we live in an impatient society. Most people who get the urge to take up stargazing are eager for those first knock-your-socks-off views -- and binoculars won't give them. Or anyway, they won't give them to those impatient people. More contemplative types (like me) may well be awed by the views through binoculars. But there are plenty of people who might be hooked for life by viewing Saturn through a telescope but get permanently discouraged by the relatively lackluster views through binoculars.But more to the point, I absolutely do not agree that for most people, binoculars are an easy way to get their first views of deep-sky objects. That is indeed true for people who live under dark skies and already have some familiarity with the constellations. But for the typical suburban beginner who can only see a dozen stars because he has bright lights shining in his face, a telescope with Go To is a much easier way to find his first few DSOs.Inexpensive high-quality telescopes, Go To technology, and ubiquitous light pollution have dramatically altered the equation since the days when "buy binoculars first" was the best advice for the majority.
ALL my posts should be considered as opinions shaped by MY experiences and understanding of the facts.
Quote: I myself started out with binoculars and 20 x 80 at that. The views of M 42 were there but unlike the views I get to see in scopes now. Same for the Planets with only exception being the Moon. After getting my first scope, like Howard mentioned, my bino's hardly get any use except for scanning the skies whilst imaging.
Quote:I agree with Tony that for the impatient, binoculars are not likely to be satisfying. On the other hand, I believe patience is probably the single most desirable, most useful character trait an amateur astronomer can possess ... If one is impatient, this hobby is probably not a good fit ...
Quote:Quote:I agree with Tony that for the impatient, binoculars are not likely to be satisfying. On the other hand, I believe patience is probably the single most desirable, most useful character trait an amateur astronomer can possess ... If one is impatient, this hobby is probably not a good fit ...Quite so. I was thinking of making that point, and I'm glad you made it for me.Although there are many people who are totally uninterested in the binocular view of the night sky, most of them probably weren't going to last long in our hobby anyway.I always worry about the people who get all enthusiastic after their first views of Saturn and the Moon through a telescope. If you set that as your standard, you're bound to be disappointed. There's only one Saturn and only one Moon. And there are precious few other objects in that same wow category. Jupiter, probably. Crescent Venus when available. Maybe the Pleiades and the Orion Nebula. Not much else.
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Quote:I would have been very disapointed and my enthusiasm deflated if I had been advised to get binoculars. I am a beginner with just 3 months under my belt. I could go into detail about the advice I did receive and how little money I spent on my first telescope/mount,EPs and such to get started and find out if this was something I would even want to peruse or not in the first place but will stick with my opening statment. Disapointed,enthusiasm "deflated". This is of course just my opinion and the members can take it for what it is worth from a beginner of "just 3 months". Cheers.
Quote:It's worth pointing out what you can see with binoculars ... Just don't beat someone over the head with it! Suggest it, but don't be condescending, and don't write a lengthy diatribe about it being the only solution as a first piece of kit.
Well said. And since this is about beginners and you are a beginner, I think your voice carries extra weight.
ANyway, I will agree with Tony that for the impatient, binoculars are not likely to be satisfying. On the other hand, I believe patience is probably the single most desirable, most useful character trait an amateur astronomer can possess. Patience and curiosity take you a long way. If one is impatient, this hobby is probably not a good fit, too many things that are beyond your control... This is a slow paced hobby with small, subtle thrills that come as the result of time spent developing ones skills. One just has to be patient to reap the rewards.
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Quote: Imagine if every newcomer ends up with binoculars....and arrives at a conclusion, that is all there is to see.
Quote:I wouldn't want binos without a tripod
Quote:Quote:I wouldn't want binos without a tripod
Depends on the binos and the intended target, don't you think?
Quote:All I know is that when I hold binos , I'm kinda shakey Disclaimer = inherent... I have *very* little experience/knowledge of what's out there. I just found out there are many different types of finderscopes. So, if a newbie's opinion is worth anything, that is mine