Rodger EON 80 Tak TSA-102 EON 120 Orion Apex 127mm Meade AR6 Tak FS-152 Celestron Nexstar 6SE and 8SE Celestron 9.25" SCT Meade 10" LX50 Celestron 11" SCT Celestron 14" SCT 16" Teeter/Zambuto 20" f/5 Obsession Classic Zeiss Conquest HD 10X42 Astro Physics Premium 15X70 Oberwork 20X80 Deluxe III Oberwork BT 100-45 Complete set of Baader Genuine Orthos Zeiss Diascope eyepiece 12mm, 68AFOV, Great eye relief (sharpest, highest contrast eyepiece I own, just awesome) etc., etc.
We mostly come out at night... mostly.
GSO Z8 Degree Circle & Digital Level
Celestron 4"(102mm) SLT 660mm f/6.47
2" 30mm GSO WideView
9mm GSO Plossl
ES 82's : 4.7mm, 8.8mm, 11mm, 18mm
BGO's 5mm, 6mm, 9mm
2" 2X ED Astronomics Barlow & GSO 1.25" 2x Shorty
8-24 Baader Zoom III
Baader M&SG, Semi-Apo
Johnny FS152 15" Obsession Classic w/ 14.5" f/4.65 Zambuto
Quote:All that being said, I don't see what is wrong with a wide angle zoom keeping up with a BGO ortho, an excellent eyepiece - that is HUGE + imho.
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WO Megrez 120 ED on GP Mount
WO ZenithStar 80 ED II on Porta II
10" Meade LightBridge/Paracorr
Orion ED 100 on Polaris Mount
Astro-Tech 8" f6 Dob
Bushnell Ares 5
Meade 226 2.4" f11.7
SpaceScope 2.4" f15
This night has opened my eyes...and i will never sleep again. 20" 3.5 - 12" 4.8 - 25X100 Bino Ethos 21/13/8 - Ortho 18/12.5/9/7/6/5/4 - Zoom Leica Asph
Quote:You never have to struggle with "this eyepiece has too high a magnification and seeing compromises the view, but my next eyepiece down has too low a magnification. I need one in between." Now you have the in-between eyepiece. You can ALWAYS find the exact correct magnification for that object and seeing conditions.
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Quote:--if you bought a set of ultrawides of equal optical quality as separates, you would have spent well over $3K and possibly over $5K. That makes the Leica Zoom a veritable bargain in comparison.--it can fill in the niche for both lunar/planetary eyepieces AND excellent, high-end, DSO eyepieces. There are other wide field eyepieces that can do that--at $400-$600+ each.--You never have to struggle with "this eyepiece has too high a magnification and seeing compromises the view, but my next eyepiece down has too low a magnification. I need one in between." Now you have the in-between eyepiece. You can ALWAYS find the exact correct magnification for that object and seeing conditions.
TEC140 (#216) Leica 17.8...8.9mm ASPH Zoom also barlowed 1.5x/2.0x/2.5x with Baader VIP Modular Barlow WO UWAN 28mm Baader 2" Herschel Wedge with SolarContinuum filter AYO AltAz mount on a Berlebach UNI19 tripod (sold: Zeiss AOII set with Zeiss Abbe 2x Barlow, see Leica zoom vs. ZAOII)
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Quote:Things like "...as good as my ZAOs." and "I sold my ZAOs because the Leica was that good". etc., etc.
Quote:Definitely give the comparison a shot in other scope designs. Eyepieces compare differently in different scopes and different apertures. The amount of scatter the scope produces I have found to also be quite critical to outcomes, particularly for planetary details. Mirrored optics typically produce more scatter (and way more if you don't clean Dob mirrors often) than refractors. My experience has been that easy to gleen differences between eyepieces in my refractors, much more difficult if not impossible in my mirrored scopes, especially the SCT.
C10NGT, Z8, 150 Rumak, XLT 150, C6, C5, SW5 Newt, 4.5 Ball, C102GT, C90, ST80, A70LF; 15x70, 25x100; Burgess BV; Paracorr II; T6 2.5, XO 2.58/5.1, Ethos-SX 3.7, Delos 4.5, TV Plossl 7.4-26, BCO 10, Hutech HC 12.5, Sterling 12.5-25, ES100 14, CZJ H 16/25, CZJ O 16, M5k UWA 24, T5 31, Ultrascopic 35, Titan-II 40; Bino Pairs M5k UWA 6.7, Baader Zoom 8-24, M5k SWA 24, TV Plossl 26, RKE 28.7; Zooms NZ 2-4, NZ 3-6, Leica ASPH 8.9-17.8, Baader 8-24; Baader Zoom Barlow, VIP Barlow
Quote:I don't think that the Leica is touted as a replacement for other eyepieces...but it is a DARN good compliment to the smaller glass offerings!
Quote:Quote:You never have to struggle with "this eyepiece has too high a magnification and seeing compromises the view, but my next eyepiece down has too low a magnification. I need one in between." Now you have the in-between eyepiece. You can ALWAYS find the exact correct magnification for that object and seeing conditions.That right there, may be the single most important reason to own a zoom eyepiece.
Quote:I think it says a lot that the Leica can match the performance of the ortho's, with a wider field (and zoom).
Quote:t.r.,Quote:I don't think that the Leica is touted as a replacement for other eyepieces...but it is a DARN good compliment to the smaller glass offerings! Well, at least in a sense it is a replacement. I've read many threads where a purchaser of the Leica sold such and such eyepieces in order to afford the Leica. That strongly implies that the Leica is indeed a replacement for those eyepieces.In fact, if I were to buy a Leica ASPH, it better be as a replacement for other eyepieces! I'm not paying $950 for an eyepiece that is merely a compliment. Not happenin'. No way.Mike
SyedTeeter STS 11 f/4.3 Zambuto | XT8i | XT8g | XLT 150 | C90 | EON 80mmAT Voyager and Nexstar SLT mountsEyepieces: Mostly TeleVue and PentaxDenk II BV'er, Earthwin PFS-SE, Pentax 10x50 PCF WP II
Quote:Quote:I think it says a lot that the Leica can match the performance of the ortho's, with a wider field (and zoom). For the price, I would hope the Leica ASPH would surpass the performance of a BGO. It better, if I were to buy one.Mike
Quote:It wouldn't have to surpass the BGO performance. After all, it's a complete set of ten of them! How much for ten BGOs?
Quote:Mike, not to be the fly in your ointment, but your current 3 zooms nearly exceed the new price of the Leica Zoom.
Quote: For someone who uses a zoom (Baader) 80-90% of the time (focuser time, that is), you represent a perfect use case example of someone who should buy this super premium Zoom.
Quote: So you could part with the other zooms, buy the Leica Zoom and keep most if not all of the complementary single focal lengths as selling Pentax XWs is sheer folly!
Quote:In other words, I'd think twice about popping that sucker into a grab-n-go scope and walking out into the 'hood. I don't have a backyard, don't have a deck. Unless I travel an hour to my dark site, I have to set up in public areas here in suburbia. I'm not sure if I want to do that with a $950 Zoom and $500 Barlow. So even if I do get the Leica, I might still be keeping my other Barlows for grab-n-go here at home. The eyepieces a Leica would replace in my kit would be the XW's, LVW, Radians. It is logical and inevitable ... if I get the Leica.Mike
Celestron CPC1100 Orion XT10i, XT12i Celestron C6R Explore Scientific 80mm APO Celestron Advanced VX mount Lunt LS80THa/PT/DSII/B1800FT Canon 15x50 IS Binoculars ES 82° 6.7, 11, 30mm ES 100 Degree 9, 14, and 20mm Dinkmeier Premimum Binoviewers TeleVue 24 Panoptic pair
Quote:I don't have any Ethos, either.Mike
Quote:I'll make do with the ES 100 Degrees. But will I make do with the Baader and Nagler Zooms? Mike
Quote:You are obviously looking all the time for reasons not to get a Leica ASPH zoom. But nobody forces you to purchase one. Therefore, you are by no means in a position to defend yourself.
Quote:Quote:You are obviously looking all the time for reasons not to get a Leica ASPH zoom. But nobody forces you to purchase one. Therefore, you are by no means in a position to defend yourself.I didn't think it was that obvious. But obviously I am in a position to defend myself because I do keep finding reasons not to purchase a Leica ... or at least no overpowering reasons to purchase one, not yet, not for me. In any case, a consumer should thoroughly consider pro and con positions when contemplating a very expensive purchase.Mike