life, an existing measurement between two nonexistent points. schinia
Quote:some times you wonder about people. why do they think they have to flood vast areas with these blinding lights.
Quote:I think that the overriding reason is fear - fear of the dark and what it might hold.
Quote:There was a time within living memory when most people had light within, metaphysically speaking, and darkness held no horrors for them.
First and foremost observing love: naked eye.
Last but not least, telescopes.
And I sometimes dabble with cameras.
Quote:Fear of darkness is innate in our species -- for good reason. As mammals go, we have exceptionally poor night vision. Together with mediocre hearing and virtually nonexistent sense of smell -- the other senses that most animals rely on at night.
Quote:The inner light having gone out in the souls of most, the enveloping darkness ignites a well-founded dread within them...
Quote:Quote:The inner light having gone out in the souls of most, the enveloping darkness ignites a well-founded dread within them... Why do you think this "dread" is well-founded?This post mentions the mystic, spirituality, "metaphysics", the "soul", etc. Do your beliefs have a mainstream name?
Quote:Better not go there.
KJ6RGY Richard Trost
NP-101 on a DM-6
Teeter 11" STS/Waite Mirror
Zeiss, Fujinon, Nikon, Vixen binoculars
Quote:Yes, a fine poem, one of his best. May we all heed it.I like darkness and solitude and find great peace there.Dark skies.Jack
12" Meade SCT 9.25" Celestron SCT 5" ES-AR refractor 90mm Astromaster refractor 80mm Galileo refractor 70mm Astromaster 66mm Astrotech refractor 16x80 Orion bino's 8x40 & 7x35 Nikon bino's
MANY a hearth upon our dark globe sighs after many a vanish’d face, Many a planet by many a sun may roll with a dust of a vanish’d race. Raving politics, never at rest—as this poor earth’s pale history runs,— What is it all but a trouble of ants in the gleam of a million million of suns?
Quote:"not like it used to be" is only evident to anyone old enough to know how it used to be. To the younger generation, it's always been this way, it's all they know. So why would they support any return to the way it used to be?
Quote:We are all partially responsible for light pollution.
Quote:Imagine cross the street in a busy intersection if the cars and buses had no lights.
Quote: Hear, hear! This is why holier-than-thou statements irk me so much.
Quote:Everyone cares about different things. The most you can do is try to politely educate people about the things you care about and hope some of it rubs off.I don't think it's an indicator of the degradation of humans, their spirits, or anything else. It's just human nature that you can't care about everything, and as was mentioned, many people don't have much experience outside of cities to compare anything to.Every single person does "stupid" and "unreasonable" stuff each day. Multiple times. Some of it will bother one person, while another (including the person doing it) won't think anything of it.That's life as a human.
Tom Karpf (tkarpf) Vice President, Astronomical Society of Greater Hartford www.asgh.org
That's why it is so important to encourage people, especially young people, to get to a black or gray zone sky--to see the beauty of the night sky, to see it's possibilities and wonder. Continuous observing under a white zone sky produces a skewed vision of what astronomy can be, increases acceptance of diminished skies, and suppresses a vivid sense of the need for change....
Orion XT12i with Swayze-refigured primary & Protostar secondary
Televue NP101 refractor
William Optics Megrez 90 refractor
Universal Astronomics Deluxe Mounts
My eyepieces are made from the waste product of exploding stars.
10XTi 102XLT ST80A(2" Focuser); President, Eypieces Anonymous, Denver Chapter (Hello, I'm an eyepiece junky, what's your excuse?)
DAS Dark Site
SteveCarpe NoctemBushnell 10x50 Seymour solarized binoculars.Bushnell 12x32 moon and terrestrial binoculars.Celestron: 102-GT Refractor OTA on a CG-4 GEMAstro-Tech Value Plössl 32mm, 20mmZhumell Z series 14.5mm, 9mm, 5mm+42° 18' 37.39", -122° 52' 3.76"
Never argue with a fool.Onlookers often can't tell the difference.
Quote:I hope the LEDs don't enable the lights to get even brighter because of safety demands and lower energy costs. Even directional lighting will bounce back up off the ground if bright enough and in the bluer spectrum.
--------------------- --------------------- "Nothing exists but atoms and empty space. Everything else is opinion." Titus Lucretius Carus 99-55 B.C.
Quote:We each emit CO2 when we exhale. Since the EPA now considers CO2 a pollutant, are all human beings now subject to derogatory terms?
Quote:Equally obvious, prohibiting all light pollution is neither practical nor morally defensible.
Quote:Tony, I agree, that was exactly my point. We have to balance priorities as individuals and as a society.Hank, I think governments do great harm to their citizens when they have laws and do not enforce them, for whatever reason, on whatever topic. If they can't or won't enforce it, then they should get it off the books. Lee
Quote:They need those laws on the books so they can selectively enforce 'em as they see fit.