Quote: Quote:Being told you are wrong is not persecution.
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Quote:Being told you are wrong is not persecution.
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Quote:If "Earth has no Moon" was the basis of you religion, I would not be able to tell you you are wrong. You would feel persecuted, and it would only serve to strengthen your belief, not matter the evidence...get it yet?
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Quote:Quote:If "Earth has no Moon" was the basis of you religion, I would not be able to tell you you are wrong. You would feel persecuted, and it would only serve to strengthen your belief, not matter the evidence...get it yet? You could say it, but it wouldn't be a point in a fact-based discussion.This is why Stephen Jay Gould was actually mistaken about his "Non-Overlapping Magisteria" idea. There is, unfortunately, no way to reliably avoid overlap.
Quote:At the very least, any creator who had to create all of that just to get us would be very inefficient...Jarad
Quote:alas, the creator would ask the same question of itself...
Quote:if we have found portions of the "building blocks of life" in meteors, wouldn't this suggest that the Universe is well populated?
Quote:This thread has run off the rails and is in danger of completely derailingand running into an oncoming freight train.Since the subject is the "origin of life" then the problem can be framedas how do biological systems arise from prebiotic conditions in terms of chemistry & molecular biology?It would seem the minimum necessary requirement is a molecule which canencode information which is both self-replicating and can function asas a catalyst, like enzymes in modern cells do.A likely candidate is RNA, which has led to the RNA World hypothesis, a term coined by Walter Gilbert, a former theoretical physicist turned Nobel Prize winning molecular biologist.RNA can carry genetic information in the sequence of bases (purines & pyrimidines), can replicate that information, and in configurations known as Ribozymes can function as an "honorary" enzyme.In this scenario, RNA predated both DNA and proteins (all enzymes are proteins,but not all proteins are enzymes). The main problem is how RNA or a similiarmolecule arose from pre-biotic conditions. The problem appears difficult, butnot impossible.
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Quote:I think it would suggest that the universe is well-supplied with building blocks. It doesn't answer the question of how often they get put together properly to form life.Jarad
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Quote:The human being is a complex bag of water and most likely did not evolve from a turnip or platypus... (sorry Darwin)
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Quote: Quote:The human being is a complex bag of water and most likely did not evolve from a turnip or platypus... (sorry Darwin) More than likely, humans and turnips and platypuses all evolved from the same primordial ooze, perhaps something that formed around a geothermal vent in some ancient sea. The different journeys have been long and difficult, no doubt with innumerable trials and failures along the way, but here we all are: distant cousins in the form of humans, turnips, and platypuses. I know that's hard to imagine, particularly for anyone who's unable (or even worse, unwilling) to acknowledge that we know more now about all manner of things than we did way back when, but what other possible explanation could there be for the existence of turnips? Nobody in His right mind would have created one.
Quote:And beetles. An inordinate fondness for beetles.
Quote:But you can be perfectly comfortable, even happy, with refusing to play DNA's game and opting to let at least your own personal DNA end with you.I will admit that the real mystery to me is how some of us are able to do this, but we are.
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Quote:But you can be perfectly comfortable, even haThe lesson, I think, is that even if continuing your DNA into the future is your highest priority, chances are it won't happen anyway. So if you've decided not to worry about your DNA's future, you haven't really lost anything. Nature has ensured that there will be plenty other DNA-donors jockeying for position.
Quote:Dave,I am interested in knowing if you attempted/did the following or could extrapolate a conclusion based on the information you have from the studies you did:Let us imagine that "Eve" was not created or died out. Does another female lineage replace "Eve's" and populates the earth?Otto
Quote:or the turnip truck
Quote:If by "intervention" you mean the laws of chemistry, then sure. After all, water molecules have to get "put together properly" to form ice crystals, carbon and hydrogen have to be "put together properly" to form ethane...The complexity of the system has nothing to do with the physical means of assembly.