Quote:Quote: Can't be that much better than my ZAO!
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Clear, Steady Skies, Ed Kessler sic itur ad astra Living on Earth is expensive, but it does include a free trip around the sun. 16" Jeff Counsil Dob, Stellarvue SVA145mm, TV-85, Coronado SM60 Eyepieces: Vernonscope Binoviewer and Brandons, Pentax, Leica ASPH Zoom, Denkmeier Mount: Nova Hitch (On the way)
Quote:Or you could just get a slightly larger telescope with better resolution and use a run of the mill ortho.Sorry, I couldn't resist. But seriously, even if I could lay out $800 for a ZAO2 or $1000 for a monocentric, why not just get a bigger scope.
Quote:When I had my business specializing in antique and military optics I had a chance to work on Zeiss products from the first prism binoculars (1890s series) to 1990. Even the 1890s Zeiss binocular I serviced had excellent optics. I never saw a bad Zeiss optic. I never have seen or looked through a Zeiss Monocentric, but I believe what people say about the performance. Sometimes when I have told people about the performance of the old optics they would act like they did not believe me! How can you have great performance without multi-coatings and computer designing? The answer is quality!!!George
Quote:This is the eyepiece case of my 1950 Zeiss AS-80/1200, which came from the laboratory of an East Germany famous rocket scientist...
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Quote:There must be legitimate reasons. Why didn't Zeiss produce a new batch of monocentrics instead of the ZAOIIs? If the monocentrics are bringing such high prices on the used market, one would think that Zeiss could sell the new ones.
It couldn't have been a lot more expensive to do and they would have produced better eyepieces.
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Can't be that much better than my ZAO!
I wish I could locate the article that I found the other day on this subject...
The author judged the contrast, resolution, and snap to focus with the Zeiss Mono to be clearly superior to that of a ZAO. He did not believe it himself at first, but after repeated assessments, he arrived at the same conclusion.
The Mono costs up to twice as much as a ZAO. Is the incremental but undeniable improvement in performance worth the additional outlay?
If only the best will do, and if you have the bucks, and if you have great vision, and if you have a killer triplet, and if you have great skies, etc, etc, then yes, this may be THE EP for you...
Can't be that much better than my ZAO!
SteveC TEC 140 Intes Micro 715 deluxe TEC 110 SolarMax 40 Losmandy G-11 w/Gemini, CGEM, Vixen Skypod TEC EP Turret, AP Maxbright, Denk P/S Diagonal, Denk II B/V, EarthWin P/S Slide TMB Supermonos, ZAO IIs, Zeiss Monocentrics, Naglers, 24mm Panoptics, 14mm Meade UWA, 5mm Pentax XO, 20mm ES100, and 2.9mm, 4.4mm, 5.9mm, 7.4mm Couture (ball)
Quote:Well, since I really can't afford the Monos, I guess I'm just stuck with my ZAOs and ZAO IIs.
Quote:Ed,Do you have the Leica aspheric zoom? I have never seen one but they are suppose to be quite good.Tom
Quote:just for the record - ZAO -> Zeiss Abbe Orthro?
Quote:Hi Steve,I really believe that when you start to compare good optics you are talking about degrees of subtleness. In your case you are comparing some of the best eyepieces in the world. I would not expect you to see much of a differece even if you have great vision, great telescope optics, and that one night of perfect seeing. The hardest thing to get is that night of perfect seeing! As far as price is concerned that is just a personal decision.George
Quote:Anyone care to guess why the TMB Supermonos are not as good as the Zeiss Monocentrics?glass?polish?coatings?QC?From all accounts the TMBs came close but I wonder what makes the difference?
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Johnny FS152 15" Obsession Classic w/ 14.5" f/4.65 Zambuto
Quote:Nice! Two sets of those sold on Amart for $1500 apiece!
Quote: It was a couple of weeks ago, I just checked Amart and they're no longer listed. $1600 was the price was for individual eyepieces not per set.
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Quote:I'm not sure if I ever got around to posting a picture of mine, but here they are. A bit dusty, but they are old as heck.
Incorrigible ocularholic. Keep calm, and carry on observing.
Quote:Bee-yootiful, Steve!Those post-war Monos are terrific.I am told the only thing that distinguishes thes optics from the later examples is the coating on the lens.