Quote:Not sure I have owend both Meade and Celestron SCT and they are fine scopes. For the last year or so the Celestron HD has been the big thing. Maybe Meade needs to do like every one else and jump on the ( HD ) band wagon. HD tv, HD sound, HD sunglasses and HD vision. LOL. You might try the Meade forum, lots of things there about Meade SCT there. I have a Meade 10 LX200 classic and I use it often and it is a very good scope. I don't write about it because it always works and gives very good images, I don.t spend my time trying to compaire it to othere scopes no reason to so theres nothing to really talk about.
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Quote: You might try the Meade forum, lots of things there about Meade SCT there.
Quote:So, different SCT types/brands can get their own forum, but Maks cannot? As Spock used to say, fascinating.
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Quote:But here is where I think Meade really falls behind. For years, they remained married to the fork mounted SCT for most of its larger offerings, and the Meade fork mounted scopes are really stinking heavy.
Quote:Now...But for 15 years, Meade left the big GEM packging market to Celestron.
Quote:I hope Meade has great success with their new products. Yes, they made some bad mistakes in the market, but losing Meade would be a disaster. Meade is why Celestron has made the effort to bring good new products to market.
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Quote:My opinion and my opinion only.First, I prefer Celestron because over the years, I think their quality has been more consistent. Meade has put some real barkers on the shelf. Astro-Foren tested one Meade that was worse than department store scopes.But that was a while ago, and I think they have stepped up.Now, it appears that Meade is trying to differentiate itself by biasing their newest (and most expensive) designs a bit more toward imaging. This is a good strategy because of Celestron's dominance in the general purpose market.But here is where I think Meade really falls behind. For years, they remained married to the fork mounted SCT for most of its larger offerings, and the Meade fork mounted scopes are really stinking heavy.As an example, Celestron abandoned the fork mounting for the C14 maybe 20 years ago, and when they did, I think C14 sales improved, and in the last decade, have exploded. C14s used to be rare, but now they are extremely common with a large percentage of CN forum members owning them and many more considering purchasing them.The comparable Meade takes two people to get on to the wedge.Celstron moved quickly to offer a choice of mounts starting with the SPs a very long time ago, and has since continued to improve its mounts.Meade never really stepped up after the LXDs (though I have one and like it well enough and to be fair, it was super-advanced when it first came out, and is easily the biggest payload carrier I have, being better at my 6" APO than my CGE).As a result, Meade simply could not sell to people that were looking for a scope package with GEM mounting.And while Meade sold OTAs, many had a counterweigt in the rear that was just dead weight for GEM usage.This is a marketing failure. Meade sould have judged from the market that a GEM mount was an important option for their larger scopes and they failed to follow up with larger mounts.So, a lot of reasons I think, but mostly a marketing mess-up. You have to be watching trends carefully and responding aggressivly.I think Celstron did this with the EdgeHDs. They could see that their 40 year old designs were not up to the challange of modern wide field eyepieces and the growing trend to large chip imaging, and while Meade came out with the ACF first, they missed on field curvature. I think that was a critical miss for them.
Quote:I am not trying to be argumentative, and I know I will be blasted for saying this, but peruse the forum and judge for yourself: Celestron owners are more vocal in general and more negative about Meade. I would even go so far as to say that it seems more Celestron owners have a bit of an inferiority complex regarding Meade
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Quote:Quote:I am not trying to be argumentative, and I know I will be blasted for saying this, but peruse the forum and judge for yourself: Celestron owners are more vocal in general and more negative about Meade. I would even go so far as to say that it seems more Celestron owners have a bit of an inferiority complex regarding Meade Even if this were true, which in my opinion it is most assuredly NOT, what possible good could come from saying it do ya think?!
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Quote:Even if this were true, which in my opinion it is most assuredly NOT, what possible good could come from saying it do ya think?!
Quote:Quote:I hope Meade has great success with their new products. Yes, they made some bad mistakes in the market, but losing Meade would be a disaster. Meade is why Celestron has made the effort to bring good new products to market.
I do not understand this logic. This implies that if Meade tanks, Celestron will respond by ceasing innovation and turning out *BLEEP*. This is absurd. If Celestron took this approach they would also wither and die and some other innovator would begin manufacturing SCTs.
If Meade cacks, they have no one to blame but themselves. We would miss them initially but eventually the "free market" cream would rise to the top and the void would be filled. In any market where there is money to be made, it indeed will be made.
If someone had told me even 10 years ago that offshore manufacturers would be cranking out decent quality 5" apos for under $2K, I would have laughed. The SCT void of a Meadeless market place would be short lived.
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Quote:...If Meade cacks, ... The SCT void of a Meadeless market place would be short lived.
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Quote:I am just trying to satisfy my curiosity.
Quote:Hey! Who are you, and what have you done with Rod?!?
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Quote:... I doubt Meade's Chinese suppliers are going to let it go away.
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Quote:I own both, like both, use both. Both companies have been good and bad to me in the past but I neither like or dislike them. It is what it is. Mass produced telescopes, mounts and cameras.
Quote: Though the LX200 *mount* was truly innovative. Unfortunately it carried a derivative/knock off OTA design. - Jim
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Quote:I just read in another thread how an owner could not get parts from Orion to repair a drive gear. Others commented on how this is policy for both Meade and Celestron. I am considering buying a new 14" cat next month and this, if true is very disturbing. Does anybody have 1st hand knowledge of this?
Quote:The impression I get is that Meade sell dreams, by which I mean that they tell you about the excitement you will feel using their products.Chris
Quote:Was Compustar GOTO or "push-to"? I can't remember.Regards,Jim
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