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Quote:What Shrodinger neglected to consider, though, is that the cat is also an observer.
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Quote:Doesn't the "double slit" experiment address a similar paradox in a much more humane way? Todd
Quote:The live/dead cat business is just another form of "if a tree falls in the forest..." Such things do nothing to explain quantum theory and are simply mind games.
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Quote:...yes, until a measurement is taken. That means the geiger itself is enough to impose a single state out of the other possible states, since it makes the first measurement when a decayed particle interact with the detector. It is however interesting how the quantum indetermination vanishes 'instantly'.
Quote:In the simplest terms, the math of Quantum theory states that a quantum particle sits in a state of superposition.Since quantum particles can be describes as waves or particles the math states that they exist as both until the are measured (observed).This state is called 'superposition". Since the 'final' state is determined by how the measurement is made.Schrodenger looked at that and said, 'Well what if we link a non-quantum sized outcome to the outcome of that single quantum particle?' In other words, if the quantum particle decays it triggers the death of a Cat....Since the end event is triggered by a particle in a superposition state, it follows that the Cat itself exists in a superposition o state (ie: both dead and alive) until a measurement is taken.Pesse (Schrodenger failed to take into account the nine lives of cats) Mist
Quote:I know I am in way over my head here, but I gotta ask someone! what is it that I am not seeing about this cat? If an atom decays, the cat is dead. well , that's easy enough. and if an atom does not decay, the cat is not dead. that seems to be another easy. so where is the overlap of the cat being BOTH dead and alive at the same time? is it the speed in which an atom MIGHT decay?
as I said, I am trying to understand something probably way over my head, so if someone cares to answer, please try to use layman's terms.
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Quote:You're not fooling anyone.
Quote:What would happen in a similar experiment to the double slit if the same particle was measured multiple times with different expectations for a wave or a particle each time. In other words does the wave of probability collapse only once per particle per observance and that particle must remain in that state forever or does each new observance of the particle bring about a new state of existence. Sorry if that is a stupid question, but I am enjoying this thread immensely, even if it is way over my head.Todd
Quote: ...except my understanding is that you cannot link a quantum event to a macro event
Quote:I was refering to the definition popularized by Stephen Hawkins:"the arrow of Time points in the direction of increasing entropy".
That's in his 'Short History of Time' If i recall.
Schrodinger wanted to play games with this story with the cat. When he invented the story, maybe he was frustrated, or just drunk. Beside, the end result of the experiment could be used to make a reductio ad absurdum: since not cat can be dead or alive, then no macroscopic system can be in a superposition of states and no macroscpic system can be entangled with a quantum event, and you might say it was exactly THAT point Schrodinger wanted to make.
Quote:The Universe is a blank slate of energy. We give it form and function by our perception of it. Viewing things in a negative light can lead to negative views of our own unique universe (bad karma, bad energy, Poison Qi).Physics is just now seeing this in the concept of quantum uncertainty. Certainty can only come AFTER perception (measurement).
Quote: ...and there is no operator of liveness or deadness. -drl