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Quote:If those same planets were looking back at us with the same criteria, they would not see receive a message either.
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Quote:Sometimes I think the unintelligent life is more interesting anyway.
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Quote:I am thinking that while physiological adaptations will be an important part of our evolutionary process, the more important changes will come in intelligence and empathy. we will need to "out grow" emotional responses such as disdain, greed, hate, and irrational fear. I highly doubt that any alien species advanced enough to discover us on our indiscreet blue marble, will still be shackled to primitive instincts. They will understand that they were once like we are, while not physically but psychologically.The tremendous obstacles that are involved in interstellar communication and travel will not be overcome by ANY race that continues to rely on adrenaline and aggression and contempt for what it does not understand.we've come a long way baby, but we ain't there yet!
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Quote:I am thinking that while physiological adaptations will be an important part of our evolutionary process, the more important changes will come in intelligence and empathy. we will need to "out grow" emotional responses such as disdain, greed, hate, and irrational fear. I highly doubt that any alien species advanced enough to discover us on our indiscreet blue marble, will still be shackled to primitive instincts.
Quote:I agree that they can't conclude much from that test.On the other hand, I think that they are probably correct that intelligent life exists on less than 1% of planets... If I had to guess, I would be guessing several orders of magnitude lower than 1%...Jarad
Quote:If intelligent life was on anywhere near 1% of planets, I expect we would know it. If you define intelligent life as one which has the ability/desire to communicate with others, then that further pushes the threshold down.I agree with Jarad that it's considerably less then 1%.
Quote: Here's my problem with their conclusion. I could just as easily say that the probability of a photon travelling faster than C is less than 50%. That's true, but misleading, because it's actually 0%. So they are passing off a conclusion that is entirely speculative as if it were conveying some new finding, which it isn't.
Quote:I feel it very unlikely that we are the benchmark for technological intelligence.
Quote:Quote:I feel it very unlikely that we are the benchmark for technological intelligence.Sure we are. We are our own benchmark, the only one that most of us are interested in.
Quote: But I still suspect that the real frequency is <<<1%. Jarad
Quote:Jarad, I am curious if you feel the miniscule probability of intelligent life in the universe is more the result of lack of habitable planets, life forming on those planets or intelligent life evolving?
Quote:We don't have the slightest idea how abstract intelligence formed here - and so how can we assess the likelihood of it forming elsewhere? So it's totally idle speculation. We are just as likely to alone as not.-drl
Quote:"It just means we still do not have the capability of making a reasonable determination which in no way can influence the likelihood"Even that is not obvious.
Quote:If the Earth possessed just a small percentage of water more than it does now, for example, it would be almost completely inundated, with no exposed continental masses. Intelligent creatures there would be aquatic. It's hard to imagine a way that they could use fire-based technology, and without fire as a stepping-stone...
Quote:...But anyways, SETI is not so hot anymore. I don't know how it got funded. Did I open a thread once, called 'Kepler killed SETI'? i don't remember but that's the idea. A giant telescope in space actively looking for signs of life is more usefull than a network of antennas passively scanning for extraterrestrial TV broadcastings.
Quote:I also have to wonder if the lack of contact can point to the conclusion that intellectually superior races by misfortune stumble upon some unknown force of nature during physics experiments that systematically eliminates whole planets or even solar systems during the course of discovery. We don't know what we don't know.