Cliff Mygatt Astronomical League Master Observer
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Quote:In many situations, fighting forest fires can be extremely detrimental to the natural forest ecosystem.Natural forest fires, sparked by lightning for example, serve to clear out a lot of underbrush. These fires burn fast and sweep through the forest quickly, doing minimal "damage" and allowing certain plants and animals to thrive. Most trees will survive this type of fire and they can actually be a benefit by opening cones and allowing more sunlight to get to the floor to feed the new saplings. The natural mosaic patterns created serve a much broader ecosystem.When an area is "protected" from fire, the underbrush accumulates over many years. It chokes off many plants and animals and creates a thick tangle that when it finally does catch fire, burns EXTREMELY hot, charring everything and killing many, many more trees.So many houses being built in dry forest areas prone to fire, and the people who choose to live there, is the bigger problem in my opinion. However, controlled burns and other measures can reduce the instance of a "killer" fire. Pretty basic stuff. Table Mountain on fire is Table Mountain doing what it's supposed to do. Nature WILL have it's way eventually.
Quote:There's actually quite a few houses i've seen built that would be impossible to burn. The big problem is the expense and getting people to build them.The "concrete log" cabins i've seen and read about, as long as they have the right kind of metal roof, are almost impervious to fire's. I'd build one if I find myself living in the woods.
Quote:Love this place....
Quote:I am saddened to report that the location of TMSP has been burned! I am told the trees in the center of the meadow survived! The TMSP website has more details! The TMSP board will head up and evaluate the site as soon as the roads are open
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Quote:Based on the latest maps, it would appear that the meadow and all the trees have been burned. See the 9/20/2012 map on the kittitas.wa.us site that bper posted, and also at http://www.inciweb.org/incident/3269/ that zerro1 posted above.Yes this is sad, but it is natural. From an astronomer's perspective, this will improve the horizon view lines, though that may include more skyglow. Depending on how the re-growth happens, it may be possible to use the very top of Table Mountain for observing in addition to the traditional meadow just to the south of the high point. On the downside, it was always nice to be able to set up in the shade of the trees on the meadow.Meadow grass grows back much faster than trees. It's been several years since I drove up to Table Mountain, but the last time I did, the low scrub sagebrush was becoming a problem. Hopefully this fire burns out the sagebrush and encourages the grasses.I live in western Washington, and we can see the smoke plumes from the fires about 70 miles away.
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Quote:TMSPA has been making noises about moving to another location because the Ellensburg light dome is getting problematic. We will see what the future holds.
Quote:I would look around Satus Pass on the Yakama Indian Nation or the private land on the south facing slopes.
Quote:Vladimir, Do you know anything about the area up around Freeze-out Pass. It's up near the area that the 30 mile fire was in. It's the dirt road from West chewuch to Tonasket. It comes out just north of Wannacut Lake. Seems to me that there are some fairly large clearings up there. It's a big Snowmobile playground during the winter..
Quote:Bickleton. Maybe we can find a farmer who'd like to host us on his land.
Mike "Once in a while you can be shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right" - Robt. Hunter
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Quote:Quote:Bickleton. Maybe we can find a farmer who'd like to host us on his land.
Hmmmm, I dunno. I think the skies there would be considerably brighter than west of Goldendale, since it's adjacent to the Yakima Valley.
Quote:Quote:Bickleton. Maybe we can find a farmer who'd like to host us on his land. Hmmmm, I dunno. I think the skies there would be considerably brighter than west of Goldendale, since it's adjacent to the Yakima Valley. I believe everything around Satus pass is wooded.Yakama nation might be worth invesigating. It would have to be on the western side, away from the Yakima valley, but they have a lot of land and the tribe might welcome some revenue. I don't know the area, though. Pegster, didn't you drive out to Ft. Simcoe State Park one time?Probably Tonasket / Republic region would be the best combination of dark skies and available land adjacent to black top, but as pointed out, it's a long, long way to drive from Puget Sound.
Quote: There is a great space with arguably the darkest skies you are likely to find in the Northwest. It's not too far and can accommodate a thousand easily. Unfortunately, it's already spoken for by OSP.